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What's this, by whom, from when and powered by what - for 1 point?:

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Re: NEH 3409
« Reply #1 on: May 06, 2014, 07:26:36 AM »
Experts?
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Re: NEH 3409
« Reply #2 on: May 06, 2014, 11:47:09 AM »
Could it be the first Allard car? Sydeny Allard built a trial car arround 1935-36

Allard  took a basic side-valve Ford V8 and got  a crashed Ford V8 saloon and he ripped off the body and fitted it with a quickly hashed-up body, much of which came from a Bugatti previously owned by Earl Howe. The engine was moved back in the chassis to put more weight over the rear wheels and the car made its debut in the Gloucester Cup Trial - less than three weeks after building had begun.

This is not the puzzle car but it is very similar and it could have the same origin:

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Re: NEH 3409
« Reply #3 on: May 06, 2014, 03:01:48 PM »
Well, you are very close but you haven't got quite the right answer yet.
I'll lock it for you to dig into.

But - please note I am joining with PJ in the Editors' new rules, and will require answers and the commitment of all players here before considering replies:

http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=28116.0
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Re: NEH 3409
« Reply #4 on: May 06, 2014, 04:12:43 PM »
Is it Ken Huthinon's V12 Lincoln Zephyr engined Allard?  From about 1937
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Re: NEH 3409
« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2014, 05:13:42 PM »
That is the photo I have posted, D-type.

Please what is the info you need carnut? an specific name for the special?

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Re: NEH 3409
« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2014, 06:15:54 PM »
Is it a Ford V8 powered Jensen from about 1937?
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Re: NEH 3409
« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2014, 04:18:36 AM »
That is the photo I have posted, D-type.

Please what is the info you need carnut? an specific name for the special?

Indeed it was - and it's actually the same car as the puzzle car.  But you mis-identified it so I'm afraid I can't award you a point..

Is it a Ford V8 powered Jensen from about 1937?

No it isn't..

Is it Ken Huthinon's V12 Lincoln Zephyr engined Allard?  From about 1937

..because it is in fact the 1938 Ken Hutchinson Allard Special with the V12 engine BUT

Well, you are very close but you haven't got quite the right answer yet.
I'll lock it for you to dig into.

But - please note I am joining with PJ in the Editors' new rules, and will require answers and the commitment of all players here before considering replies:

http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=28116.0

As this puzzle was locked for serra I'm afraid I can't give you the point either D-type.

This puzzle will therefore be moved with no-one getting a point, though between the two of them serra and D-type did arrive at the answer.
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Sorry, I missed the lock.

« Last Edit: May 07, 2014, 05:22:42 AM by Carnut »
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Sorry, I missed the lock.

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Was this one of those Adlard (sic!) Allard Specials?

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"Adlard" was not a mistake, Adlard Motors ltd from Putney (with branches in Fulham and Brixton) advertised several Allard cars during the war and right after. I can't post links but there is an interesting story about it in the Allard Motor Company website.

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From the Allard Motor Company website:

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Sydney's father Arthur Allard was a property developer and master builder, a profession he hoped Sydney and his brothers would follow, but a passion for mechanical devices grew in Sydney from the youngest age rather than for bricks and mortar, Arthur soon released his son from his wish to enter the building trade realising the futility of his efforts.
Sydney started with a Grand Prix Morgan three wheeler handed down from his eldest brother Jack, in 1929 Sydney with brother Dennis he competed at Brooklands in a better Aero model financed by their father, they won the three lap handicap event, competition would be Sydney's passion for the rest of his life.
In 1930 after a mechanical apprenticeship Sydney was set up in business in Acre Lane, Brixton, London by his father, partnered by a trusted businessman Alf Brisco, Arthur had recently bought a roofing company called Robert Adlard, struck by the name he called Sydneys new firm Adlards Motors Ltd which would lead to years of confusion. Whilst developing his trade Sydney's Adlard Motors facilities were transformed in 1935/36 with the redevelopment of the site by his father with garage facilities beneath a large block of flats. After converting his Morgan to four wheels Sydney lost interest and successive cars followed, Talbot 105, 1932 Ford Model B with 24hp Ford Truck engine and then a Ford TT race car bodied by Jensen was campained in 1935/36 with some success in motor trials.
The real Allard history starts with the first true Allard built in 1936 on a Ford Model 48 chassis recovered from a local garage and combined with the complete tail and scuttle from a GP Bugatti Type 51 in a local coachbuilders, additional items such as Bugatti steering assembly, a 3622cc Ford Sidevalve V8 engine and narrowed rear axle were juxtapositioned in such a way to make a perfectly conceived trials car constructed in just 18 days and nights.
Named after its registration plate 'CLK 5' proved itself over the next two years with a large number of wins in trials and other races.
SHA's first win was at Southport Sands 50 mile event on April 26th 1936 with speeds exceeding 100mph. Numerous victories followed in trials events, this was recognised by the motoring press, 'The Motor' featured a cartoon of CLK 5 with the caption 'SH.Allard climbing almost any hill in almost any trial'.
By 1937 CLK 5 was a very well known car to fellow competitors and spectators, enquiries came in to Adlard Motors Ltd regarding the possible construction of replicas. Sydney's father still having a major influence in his sons business observed competition activities as non-profit and distracting from Adlards normal garage work.
However, this is where Sydney went from being one of the many one-off special builders to a car manufacturer (the others were Lotus and Healey), one definate order led to another and by September 1939 11 cars were built with the 12th being completed in 1946.
After a short period with a solid front axle CLK 5 and all Allards to follow would have the Leslie Ballamy divided front axles which would give the famous splayed front wheel appearance terrifying so many spectators in the years to come. A pre-war team of 3 Allards formed the 'Tailwaggers' with SHA in his new ELL 300 car, Guy Warburton in CLK 5 and Ken Hutchison in the Lincoln-Zephur V12 ELX 50, winning many team prizes as well as individual success.
The war years 1939-45 saw Adlards spreading into Fulham to provide overhauls to jeeps, trucks and staff cars returning battered from the front line, he would soon be specialising in only Ford vehicles, there were no racing activities of any kind so Sydney learnt what he could in the war and developed skills within the business that would set him on an firm footing at the end of hostilities. As the war ended he bought all the remaining stocks of Ford components including many sidevalve engines and Ford became the manufacturer that Sydney chose to supply all the major components to his cars through his Ford dealership Adlard Motors Ltd.
1946 saw the formation of the Allard Motor Company who would eventually construct over 1900 cars all evolving from 12 pre-war specials.
Sydney had assembled an array of friends and collegues that would form the backbone of the new company and provide valuable advertising in the form of competition successes.
Perhaps it should be noted that it is well known that SHA's prime interest was competition before car manufacture, he maintained a small workshop just for his special projects such as his first post-war special HLF 601, then JGP 473 a forerunner to the J2 model and his most famous special, the Steyr, a single single seater hillclimb car with 3.7 litre Austrian Steyr engine brilliantly engineered to give 140hp through twinned rear tyres, Sydney took the 1949 British Hillclimb Championship in this car combining his considerable engineering and driving skills.
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Adlard Motors were still the mainstream Ford dealership being one of the biggest in London, Allard Motor Company were into performance equipment after winding up car manufacture in 1959. Sydney's son Alan was following in the trade having competed in his first Monte Carlo Rally in 1962 beating Sydney. He trained in motor engineering and had accompanied Sydney on many pre-rally reccies before he was old enough to drive.
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After organising his second drag festival in 1965 which was washed out due to rain Sydney fell ill and was never to recover, he died in April 1966, a legendary figure in British motorsport and the motor industry had gone.
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Alan eventually took over the Allard business alongside Adlards continuing in rally and dragster competition, Alan drove all three Allard dragsters in competition and in 1968 he took the world quarter mile record in the later Allard-Chrysler machine. In the years to come Alan became the foremost knowledge in Britain on super-charging and later turbocharging as Allards bought both the Wade and Shorrock super-charging businesses, he continued rallying until 1973 with the birth of his second son Lloyd.
In 1976 Adlards was sold and Alan moved to Wales to continue the Allard business in a smaller capacity, from 1970 he sold the merits of turbocharging, some ten years later the motor industry would start to produce production turbo cars.

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A 1944 (!) Adlard ad of the puzzle car:

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