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Wanderer W 23, 1938 special Berlin-Rom-racing coupé
« on: March 23, 2013, 04:11:41 AM »
Who knows this car?

I don´t know to many reliable facts.

One point for the make.

One additional point for the details
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Re: grob 2013.03.23 (05)
« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2013, 04:55:30 PM »
I'm not sure, but I believe it's the 1948 Healey Duncan Sports Saloon.

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Re: grob 2013.03.23 (05)
« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2013, 12:26:16 PM »
No.

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Re: grob 2013.03.23 (05)
« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2013, 01:38:33 PM »
I remember seeing this car from an old library book on European cars,is this a DKW Stromlinie 1937?

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Re: grob 2013.03.23 (05)
« Reply #4 on: April 11, 2013, 01:42:51 PM »
Well, you´re close.

I have a different, but related make and a different year...

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Re: grob 2013.03.23 (05)
« Reply #5 on: April 11, 2013, 01:45:32 PM »
could it be a 1936 dkw-sport Stromlinie?

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Re: grob 2013.03.23 (05)
« Reply #6 on: April 11, 2013, 01:49:27 PM »
No.

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Re: grob 2013.03.23 (05)
« Reply #7 on: April 11, 2013, 02:10:36 PM »
If a DKW is close, is it a Wanderer.

Maybe a coupe version of the 1938-1939 Liege-Rome-Liege cars
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Re: grob 2013.03.23 (05)
« Reply #8 on: April 11, 2013, 02:18:43 PM »
You´re right!

This is your point.

But I´ll leave the puzzle in this level, because I´ve never seen a photo of a closed version like the puzzle photo.
It  has a post-war Berlin license plate and was seen as a survivor in the early 1950´s

Now I want to know more about this specific Coupé version.
Who has built them, is it a works body?

Anyone who can give me substantial information will get an additional point!

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Re: grob ´s Wanderer 1939 Rom-Liege-Rom racing coupé mystery
« Reply #9 on: April 12, 2013, 06:06:58 PM »
It also closely resembles the prewar Adler streamliners.  Could Hermann Ramelow have had a hand in it?  I don't know - just speculating.
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Re: grob ´s Wanderer 1939 Rom-Liege-Rom racing coupé mystery
« Reply #10 on: April 13, 2013, 10:26:33 AM »
No, sorry.


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Re: grob ´s Wanderer 1939 racing coupé mystery
« Reply #11 on: April 13, 2013, 12:01:12 PM »
This is not a car for the Liège-Rome race, but the Wanderer W 23 Berlin-Rom-Wagen, which was built in 1938 for the Berlin-Rome race. Unfortunately the race which was planned for September 1938 was cancelled because of the Sudeten crisis, and the 1939 race didn't happen because of the outbreak of WW2. This Wanderer (chassis number 193451) was sold to a private buyer when the Auto Union sport department was closed in 1940. Its trace was lost in early postwar Germany. BTW, a similar streamlined car was built on a DKW F8 chassis.

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Re: grob ´s Wanderer 1939 racing coupé mystery
« Reply #12 on: April 13, 2013, 12:06:21 PM »
 :thumbsup:

Now I´m convinced!

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Re: Wanderer W 23, 1938 special Berlin-Rom-racing coupé
« Reply #13 on: November 22, 2014, 08:04:13 AM »
Some new photos have unearthed.

After having seen them, I am not sure if there were two almost identical 1938 Berlin-Rome cars:
   - one based upon the Wanderer (the two at the left)
   - and a DKW based car (the two new photots at the right).

Or is it the identical car?

I think the front proportions are slightly different.

The Wanderer´s engine hood looks higher than the DKW´s.

If not I now would suppose, that it is one car, and it is a DKW and not a Wanderer... :-\

Does anybody know more?

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Re: Wanderer W 23, 1938 special Berlin-Rom-racing coupé
« Reply #14 on: November 22, 2014, 11:38:02 AM »
As I mentioned above there were two similar looking cars, one built on a Wanderer W23 chassis (the puzzle car) and another one built on a DKW F8 chassis. Kirchberg has the DKW pictured in his Horch-Audi-DKW-IFA book, the Wanderer can be found in the Erdmann/Westermann book about Wanderer. It is hard to tell them apart.

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Re: Wanderer W 23, 1938 special Berlin-Rom-racing coupé
« Reply #15 on: November 22, 2014, 12:35:11 PM »
O.K., thank you, then it is like I wrote in the post before.

The left two photos show the Wanderer - the right ones show the DKW.