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Ubb49 Horch 853 'Manuela' from 1937 owned by Bernd Rosemeyer
« on: January 30, 2013, 06:45:37 PM »
What's the name of this car, who is the guy on the right and from when does it date ?
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Re: Ubb49
« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2013, 01:09:46 PM »
Piece of cake for the experts  ;)
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Re: Ubb49
« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2013, 01:18:13 PM »
Horch 853
Bernd Rosemeyer
Nurburgring Okt 1937 I believe
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Re: Ubb49
« Reply #3 on: February 06, 2013, 01:27:16 PM »
Horch 853A Stromlinie coupè by Erdmann & Rossi, Bernd Rosemeier
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Re: Ubb49
« Reply #4 on: February 06, 2013, 01:48:44 PM »
Quote from: Bill Murray on February 06, 2013, 01:18:13 PM
Horch 853
Bernd Rosemeyer
Nurburgring Okt 1937 I believe
Yes it is a Horch from 1937, but not 853 (may be misspelled ?). The guy is indeed Rosemeyer. This car had a special name, do you know it ? I'll lock it for you to come up with the right model and the (nick)name of the car.

Sorry Targhediferro, Bill was a couple of minutes earlier than you  ;)
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Re: Ubb49
« Reply #5 on: February 06, 2013, 02:31:46 PM »
No problem, I began writing...than a phone call arrived...meanwhile mekubb Bill gave his answer.
Anyway I was quite sure it to be a 853.
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Re: Ubb49
« Reply #6 on: February 06, 2013, 03:30:26 PM »
Hmmm.

OK, the car was called Manuela.
But...it is identified maybe 20 times in all sorts of websites in all sorts of different photos as an 853.  I will keep looking but that is what I come up with.
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Re: Ubb49
« Reply #7 on: February 06, 2013, 03:44:15 PM »
I found that the nickname was a bit different: Heisse Manuela, the German for Hot Manuela.
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Re: Ubb49
« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2013, 04:34:54 PM »
Interesting game of ping-pong Fabrizio >:D
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Re: Ubb49
« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2013, 05:18:51 PM »
Quote from: Bill Murray on February 06, 2013, 03:30:26 PM
Hmmm.

OK, the car was called Manuela.
But...it is identified maybe 20 times in all sorts of websites in all sorts of different photos as an 853.  I will keep looking but that is what I come up with.
Yes, Manuela was the name I was looking for. What a name for such a striking car... Horch 853 is correct by the way, my source misspelled it >:( , sorry about that. A point for you Bill, sorry Fabrizio...
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Re: Ubb49 Horch 853 'Manuela' from 1937 owned by Bernd Rosemeyer
« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2013, 05:58:10 PM »
With total respect, I think Fabrizio also deserves a point as we both filled in some of the blanks so to say.  A joint effort whose rewards perhaps should be shared.

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Re: Ubb49 Horch 853 'Manuela' from 1937 owned by Bernd Rosemeyer
« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2013, 06:51:21 PM »
Well Bill, Fabrizio has earned a lot of points lately so I don't think he will be too disappointed  ;) Besides you came up first with the right make, model, year and driver, so I leave the point to you.
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Re: Ubb49 Horch 853 'Manuela' from 1937 owned by Bernd Rosemeyer
« Reply #12 on: February 06, 2013, 07:54:35 PM »
I accept your decision.

On the other hand, we do not want to penalize Fabrizio just because he is rather good at this.

Regarding my ability in this case to ID the car, my Hobby Interest as you know is wheeled military vehicles 1935-1945 and the maker Horch is very well represented as a supplier to the German military forces during that period.  As such, I have a rather large data base on both civilian and military vehicles supplied by that brand and the 853 series is well represented in that data base.  Some pretty interesting vehicles, both "standard" and "umbau"
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Re: Ubb49 Horch 853 'Manuela' from 1937 owned by Bernd Rosemeyer
« Reply #13 on: February 07, 2013, 02:09:20 AM »
A rather nice reconstruction was created over the past years:
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Re: Ubb49 Horch 853 'Manuela' from 1937 owned by Bernd Rosemeyer
« Reply #14 on: February 07, 2013, 04:24:53 AM »
Thanks for the pic Wendax ! Do you know if the original car still exists ?
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Re: Ubb49 Horch 853 'Manuela' from 1937 owned by Bernd Rosemeyer
« Reply #15 on: February 07, 2013, 04:30:02 AM »
I don't disappoint your decision;  as I said, I did some addictions just to reach a more complete answer.
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Re: Ubb49 Horch 853 'Manuela' from 1937 owned by Bernd Rosemeyer
« Reply #16 on: February 07, 2013, 04:31:03 AM »
Quote from: mekubb on February 07, 2013, 04:24:53 AM
Thanks for the pic Wendax ! Do you know if the original car still exists ?
The original car doesn't exist anymore.
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Re: Ubb49 Horch 853 'Manuela' from 1937 owned by Bernd Rosemeyer
« Reply #17 on: February 07, 2013, 06:13:04 AM »
Here are some examples of how "ordinary" Horch cars ended up during WWII.
Some of these bodies were actually built in small series, 50 for example.

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