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Title: Steinwinter Junior, electric conversion, early 1990s
Post by: grobmotorix on May 19, 2013, 07:13:16 AM
Who knows this car?
Title: Re: grob: 2013.05.19 (05)
Post by: grobmotorix on June 03, 2013, 12:52:16 PM
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Title: Re: grob: 2013.05.19 (05)
Post by: cmetisse on June 03, 2013, 01:19:26 PM
All Cars Charly III, but the german-market 4-wheeler version, known as the Steinwinter Amigo 50.

It used a Fichtel & Sachs SC50 engine, and probably a CVT, instead of the more common Morini, mated with a 3 ou 4-speed gearbox.

I don't know exactly when it was introduced, but it seems it was produced until 1987, with the final demise of the All Cars company, based in Pianoro.
The funny thing being that the 4-wheeler Charly was NOT sold in France. We only had it as a tricycle, and with the previous Charly II body.
Title: Re: grob: 2013.05.19 (05)
Post by: grobmotorix on June 03, 2013, 01:40:13 PM
That´s worth a point!

It is an electric conversion of a Steinwinter Amigo 50.
Title: Re: Steinwinter Amigo 50, electric conversion, early 1990s
Post by: cmetisse on June 03, 2013, 01:50:24 PM
So probably a swiss conversion, isn't it ?

Unfortunately, I cannot reach my archives for the next week, so I won't be able to give you any name for the Switzerland-based company which produced that very version.
Title: Re: Steinwinter Amigo 50, electric conversion, early 1990s
Post by: grobmotorix on June 03, 2013, 01:54:25 PM
That would be another point, because I do not know the conversion company... ;)
Title: Re: Steinwinter Amigo 50, electric conversion, early 1990s
Post by: Wendax on June 03, 2013, 03:55:21 PM
Are you sure about the "Amigo" bit? I always thought that the Amigo was the German version of the Automirage Pick Wick, while the All Cars Charly came as the Steinwinter Junior.
Title: Re: Steinwinter Amigo 50, electric conversion, early 1990s
Post by: grobmotorix on June 03, 2013, 04:05:48 PM
OOOOoooohhh, I shouldn´t have watched TV while commenting my puzzles.


 :bag:



What to do now ?  - It is of course the Steinwinter Junior.

Well, I would have locked it only for a "Steinwinter" guess.

And I´m quite sure, cmetisse would have made the rest, too.

So - should we keep his point?

Title: Re: Steinwinter Junior, electric conversion, early 1990s
Post by: Wendax on June 03, 2013, 04:11:18 PM
Yes, for sure. I just wanted to put this one straight.
Title: Re: Steinwinter Junior, electric conversion, early 1990s
Post by: grobmotorix on June 03, 2013, 05:06:27 PM
O.K., thank you for the hint.
Title: Re: Steinwinter Junior, electric conversion, early 1990s
Post by: cmetisse on June 04, 2013, 02:20:38 AM
Yeah, I just reversed these Steinwinter nameplates !  ::)

Moreover, it seems the Junior name was used first for the german version of the Automirage Mirage III microcar, then from 1980-on for the 4-wheels Sachs-engined All Cars Charly III...

Steinwinter was even for a short period the official importer of the french Comtesse Break ! What a range.  :drive:
Title: Re: Steinwinter Junior, electric conversion, early 1990s
Post by: Wendax on June 04, 2013, 02:25:30 AM
Yes, and most famous for its 250 cc conversions of Fiat 500 and 126 in order to fulfill requirements for the old German moped driver's licence.
I think Steinwinter was a little bit the German equivalent to Willam.
Title: Re: Steinwinter Junior, electric conversion, early 1990s
Post by: cmetisse on June 04, 2013, 02:35:43 AM
True, the german Lambretta-Willam ! Another intriguing company...

I heard that there was a german-market only Honda N250. Was it another Steinwinter conversion ?
Title: Re: Steinwinter Junior, electric conversion, early 1990s
Post by: Wendax on June 04, 2013, 02:45:46 AM
I don't think so. There were mainly four converted 250 cc cars on the German market in the early Seventies:
- the Fiat 500 with a Goggomobil engine
- the Fiat 126 with a Goggomobil engine
- the NSU Prinz 4 with a Goggomobil engine
- the Honda N 600 with reduced bore.

The Fiat conversions were done by Steinwinter and by Figo. I don't know who was responsible for the NSU and Honda conversions.
Title: Re: Steinwinter Junior, electric conversion, early 1990s
Post by: grobmotorix on June 04, 2013, 01:43:17 PM
Time for a new field of research... ;)

Thank you both for those interesting contributions!