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Puzzles, Games and Name That Car => Solved AutoPuzzles => 2013 => Topic started by: sixtee5cuda on October 21, 2013, 09:33:20 AM
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For one point, specify the year, make, and coachbuilder of this old car
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Up!
The experts have no interest in this one. Time for 20 questions from the Pros?
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British?
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The limited information I possess, indicates the coachbuilder may be British.
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Is the base car French?
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Base car is not French
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Is the base car German?
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Not German.
Enough country questions. It was probably built in England or the USA, factories produced it in both locations.
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The limited information I possess, indicates the coachbuilder may be British.
Is the base car British?
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If you state the name of the base car, it is not considered British.
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Bedford-Buick from about 1912?
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Not a Buick. Slightly newer.
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From the clues you have given - is this a Ford Model T ?
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It is a Ford Model T. I would consider a lock, if it would help you Nicanary.
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It is a Ford Model T. I would consider a lock, if it would help you Nicanary.
Don't lock. I can't find anything yet, and I'll be going to work very soon. It wouldn't be fair to others.
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1921 Model T Ford with body by Offord & Sons Ltd.?
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Older than 1921, not by Offord & Sons Ltd.
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How about 1913 Model T Ford with body by Ralph E. Sanders & Sons?
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One year off, a Son is involved, and the last name starts with an S. But it isn't Sanders.
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Salmons & Sons?
Joseph Sankey?
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Not Sankey
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Walter Smith & Son?
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It was my next guess!
Storey?
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Salmons & Sons?
Joseph Sankey?
What about Salmons & Sons?
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Starts with "St", but not Storey.
Want to narrow the geography? (not that I know anything about English geography)
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Stevenson?
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Not Stevenson
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Strangely enough, these British coachbuilders are referred to as "Messrs". Is this common?
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Strangely enough, these British coachbuilders are referred to as "Messrs". Is this common?
Yes, in those days the habit of referring to companies named after their founders in that manner was still common.
Since Ford made the Model T in Trafford Park, Manchester, perhaps it is a coachbuilder from that area. Not that that's any help to me.
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Strachan?
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Strangely enough, these British coachbuilders are referred to as "Messrs". Is this common?
Presumably it's a shortened form of "messieurs", the French plural of "monsieur". Is this because the ancient art of coachbuilding had heavy French influence? I suspect not, because other business enterprises in the UK also used the term in their title, and I can only assume that the use of a French word goes right back to Norman times. One for a social historian.
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Not Strachan, not from Manchester.
When I first saw the company name, I wondered if it was French in origin. The name doesn't look particularly French, except for having "Messrs" in front.
Moving along. The third letter is "a".
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Thomas Startin?
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Not Startin
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Starnes?
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Not Starnes.
(I'm going to have to look up all these names, assuming they were coachbuilders.)
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Stainway?
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Not Stainway.
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The Messrs were based in Lincolnshire. I'm guessing that is something like a county name, as I also have the name of a city where they were located.
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The Messrs were based in Lincolnshire. I'm guessing that is something like a county name, as I also have the name of a city where they were located.
Yes Lincolnshire is a county name, but in those days it was divided into three ridings (Lindsay, Kesteven and Holland) which were often used in postal addresses.
Strangely enough, these British coachbuilders are referred to as "Messrs". Is this common?
Yes, in those days the habit of referring to companies named after their founders in that manner was still common.
Strangely enough, these British coachbuilders are referred to as "Messrs". Is this common?
Presumably it's a shortened form of "messieurs", the French plural of "monsieur". Is this because the ancient art of coachbuilding had heavy French influence? I suspect not, because other business enterprises in the UK also used the term in their title, and I can only assume that the use of a French word goes right back to Norman times. One for a social historian.
I think between us we have explained the insignificance and origin of the common "Messrs." prefix in early 20th century Britain.
I'm sure there would have been an equivalent in the USofA at that time.
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Yes Lincolnshire is a county name, but in those days it was divided into three ridings (Lindsay, Kesteven and Holland)
'Parts' I think rather than ridings, which is what Yorkshire was divided into. So you got Parts of Lindsay, Parts of Kesteven etc..
I think between us we have explained the insignificance and origin of the common "Messrs." prefix in early 20th century Britain.
I'm sure there would have been an equivalent in the USofA at that time.
In business, when writing to another company (as opposed to an individual) the letter would always be addressed to (for example) "Messrs Smith & Jones Ltd", then starting the letter with "Dear Sirs,". It was, as already stated, a shortening of the French Messieurs but why a French word was used is lost in the mists of time.
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The Messrs were based in Lincolnshire. I'm guessing that is something like a county name, as I also have the name of a city where they were located.
Was the city Scunthorpe?
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As far as I know, the only place in Lincolnshire with the status of a city is Lincoln.
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City, town, village, all the same to me. It's in some foreign country. :)
Not Scunthorpe.
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City, town, village, all the same to me. It's in some foreign country. :)
Not Scunthorpe.
This isn't a foreign country, it's Britain!!
(as far as my Grandad was concerned there were only 2 nationalities in the world: British and Foreign!)
And incidentally Scunthorpe is the only place in Britain which regularly stops emails going through if it's included in the text...!
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City, town, village, all the same to me. It's in some foreign country. :)
I take it it wasn't made in Lincoln then?
There are not that many towns of any size in Lincolnshire. Going in descending order of population, the first to try would be Grimsby.
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Not Grimsby. South of Boston
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Not Grimsby. South of Boston
That'd be Spalding then?
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Stamford?
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I seem to remember there being a garage in Holbeach which used to do some coachbuilding..?
It actually belonged to a friend of mine's family.
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If it helps, the coachbuilder was in Spalding.
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If it helps, the coachbuilder was in Spalding.
As Allan L suggested...
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There was a family of coachbuilders called Wegg in Spalding in the early 20th century. Anything to do with them?
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As far as I can tell, no connection to Wegg.
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I have confused myself,and need enlightenment. The coachbuilders were based in Spalding, Lincolnshire, and the name was Messrs. Sta???? and Sons, or are there two names, because you said the LAST name started Sta..? So is it Messrs. ????? & Sta???? and Sons?
Help!
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Messrs Stan??? and Son, the last name starts with "Stan". Located in Spalding, Lincolnshire.
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Stanton? Have we tried that one?
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Stanley & Sons?
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Not Stanley, not Stanton
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Stanmore?
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Stanford?
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Not Stanmore or Stanford. 7 letters
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Messrs Stancer and Son, Spalding, Lincolnshire?
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Not Stancer. The letter "c" is incorrect.
As 4popoid is one letter away from the correct name, this puzzle is
LOCKED
For his next two attempts.
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Thanks for the lock 'cuda! I have two alternate possibilities on my list. First I'll try: Messrs Stanyer and Son, Spalding, Lincolnshire.
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Not Stanyer
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OK, how about: Messrs Stanger and Son, Spalding, Lincolnshire?
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Stanger it is! The point goes to 4popoid.
I found the puzzle image, while researching another topic, of course. I thought it was an interesting looking, ancient limousine.
I researched further while the puzzle was in progress. Sadly, I didn't find another vehicle by Messrs. Stanger & Son.