Author Topic: SOLVED: WTH # 269 - 1903 La Bourlinguette w Panhard power for M. Jules Secrestat (Read 1428 times)

D-type · « **Reply #25 on:** November 21, 2013, 03:13:09 PM »

André Citroën?

sixtee5cuda · « **Reply #26 on:** November 21, 2013, 10:44:01 PM »

Not Andre Citroen.

The Captain of Industry involved, was not in the transportation business.

nicanary · « **Reply #27 on:** November 22, 2013, 08:24:49 AM »

A banker perhaps? Rothschild?

sixtee5cuda · « **Reply #28 on:** November 22, 2013, 08:40:37 AM »

Not a banker. One of his products had his last name on it.

nicanary · « **Reply #29 on:** November 22, 2013, 08:49:44 AM »

Ricard?

João · « **Reply #30 on:** November 22, 2013, 11:37:04 AM »

Jules Secrestat from Bordeaux. Probably Panhard based. More pictures :

sixtee5cuda · « **Reply #31 on:** November 22, 2013, 11:20:16 PM »

LOCKED for João to finish his answer. The vehicle was created for M. Jules Secrestat of Bordeaux. It is propelled by a 20HP Panhard motor.

If you can decipher it from that old German document, when was this vehicle built, and what name was it given?

João · « **Reply #32 on:** November 23, 2013, 10:36:52 AM »

Year - 1905.

It´s called Automobil-Wohnung : Mobile apartment.

nicanary · « **Reply #33 on:** November 23, 2013, 10:48:27 AM »

Exactly who was Jules Secrestat ? The caption says "rich sportsman", but I've never heard of him.

Hiawatha · « **Reply #34 on:** November 23, 2013, 11:09:17 AM »

From what I could understand Jules Honorè Secrestat was a wine grower and inventor of two well known drinks of the times, Bitter Secrestat and Tony Kola, sold worldwide in huge quantities. He was probably born in 1822 and that means he was in a very advanced age when he took delivery of his vehicle. It would be interesting to find issue number 33 of the Allgemeine Automobil Zeitung as there is a complete description of the mobile home.

Bill Murray · « **Reply #35 on:** November 23, 2013, 11:53:20 AM »

Kudos to Joao, that was not an easy puzzle.

I too did research on Secrestat and he died in 1905 and I believe the year of construction of the vehicle was 1903, so he only was able to enjoy the ride for part of 2 years.

Bill

pnegyesi · « **Reply #36 on:** November 23, 2013, 11:59:06 AM »

Joao included illustrations from the No2/1905 issue of AAZ. The Nr33/1903 issue featured a description, saying it was based on a 70 hp Mors. The article says that Jules Secrestat was a rich sportsman from Bordeaux

Wendax · « **Reply #37 on:** November 23, 2013, 03:30:29 PM »

And that article tells us that it wasn't called "Automobil-Wohnung", that is just a German description. Its name was Bourlinguette (vagabond).

sixtee5cuda · « **Reply #38 on:** November 23, 2013, 11:46:52 PM »

A point to João for finding the owner and Panhard connection. A point to Wendax for digging out the actual name of the vehicle, "La Bourlinguette".

I'm surprised so much information about this vehicle was found in German. La Bourlinguette was also described, in English, in the Motor-Car Journal from October 10th, 1903.

Strangely enough, this apparently newer, green vehicle also carries the name La Bourlinguette. It is described as being constructed by Henri Lafitte in Bordeaux. The name, boxy design, and solid wheels are similar. I am inclined to believe, the Henri Lafitte descriptive text refers to M. Secrestat's original vehicle.

(January 2022 revision: A French magazine article describes this green vehicle as a 1913 Loiret, based on a Renault chassis. The image label indicating this is La Bourlinguette is incorrect.)

sixtee5cuda · « **Reply #39 on:** November 23, 2013, 11:56:05 PM »

It would be nice to have a translation of the last German page, 193033_2.jpg. There seem to be a lot of technical details in there.

Wendax · « **Reply #40 on:** November 24, 2013, 03:37:25 AM »

Mr. Secretat' Bourlinguette was 7 m long and 2.5 m wide. The engine was a 20 hp Panhard, coupled to a four-speed gearbox. Top speed was 30 km/h. La Bourlinguette weighed 3500 kg, when all 5 passengers (Mr. Secretat and his wife, Mr. Plazanet and his wife, and the servant) were on board. The front compartment consisted of a driver's seat, a foldable bed for him, as well as four seats "in case the travellers want to see the road they are going". The center compartment serves as living room, dining room and sleeping room. The four beds can be turned upright, looking like mirror cabinets then. The seats at the side of the vehicle are stowaway boxes as well. At night a heavy curtain separates the compartment into two sleeping rooms, each with a small table. The tables can be combined with a third one to serve as dinner table. The center compartment is made from mahogany wood. Sliding doors with painted glass windows separate this room from the rest. The glass window to the front shows Mr. Secretat riding his 70 hp Mors, the rear one a picture of his Russian hunting dog. The rear compartment contains the kitchen. La Bourlinguette had three brakes and a device could be lowered behind the rear axle to prevent moving backwards when standing at a slope.

João · « **Reply #41 on:** November 24, 2013, 08:16:38 AM »

Nice! Thanks guys.

pguillem · « **Reply #42 on:** November 24, 2013, 03:00:10 PM »

Some Sécrestat products.

gte4289 · « **Reply #43 on:** December 30, 2024, 04:04:23 AM »

There's so much confusion and misinformation in this old thread that I felt the need to post the correct info for clarification:

Name: la "Bourlinguette"
Builder: Henri Lafitte
Commissioned by: Jules Secrestat
Completed: no later than 1902 (French article below published 1 January 1903)
Motor: Panhard 20 hp

Wendax · « **Reply #44 on:** December 30, 2024, 04:54:37 AM »

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