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Puzzles, Games and Name That Car => Solved AutoPuzzles => 2013 => Topic started by: sixtee5cuda on October 21, 2013, 09:31:01 AM
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When was this built, what name was it given, and for whom was it created?
There is a similar, newer green vehicle on the internet, which is (incorrectly?) assigned the same name.
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Up!
Completely ignored by the Experts. Pros?
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Is it a steam engined vehicle?
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Gasoline engine from a major manufacturer.
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Is it a Gospel Car?
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Not a gospel car
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There appears to be a chimney flue at the rear end - was this a vehicle for habitation?
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It provides many of the comforts of home, and is mobile
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Based on an American truck?
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As far as I can tell, no connection with the Americas.
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An interior view of this luxurious carriage:
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I do not have the answer, but I did find a small article on the French manufacturer Wagon-Lits that featured their "Parlour Car" railroad wagons which had an almost identical interior. Could this at least be the builder of this vehicle?
Bill
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I do not have information about the actual builder, merely the name of the man for whom it was created.
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Could it have been for the Emperor of China?
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Not built for royalty of any country
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Famous entertainer??
Bill
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Not an entertainer
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The chassis looks circa WW1 - was this mobile accomodation for a French commander?
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Not military, pre-WW1
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Used on some famous expedition?
Bill
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No expedition. Created for leisurely touring.
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Thank you for your patience and your helpful tips, Cuda.
A "Captain of Industry" perhaps??
Bill
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Yes, a captain of industry.
Earlier, you mentioned "Wagon-Lits". I do not have information indicating they built this vehicle, but it was constructed in France.
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any connection to De Dion?
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No De Dion connection.
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André Citroën?
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Not Andre Citroen.
The Captain of Industry involved, was not in the transportation business.
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A banker perhaps? Rothschild?
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Not a banker. One of his products had his last name on it.
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Ricard?
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Jules Secrestat from Bordeaux. Probably Panhard based. More pictures :
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LOCKED for João to finish his answer. The vehicle was created for M. Jules Secrestat of Bordeaux. It is propelled by a 20HP Panhard motor.
If you can decipher it from that old German document, when was this vehicle built, and what name was it given?
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Year - 1905.
It´s called Automobil-Wohnung : Mobile apartment.
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Exactly who was Jules Secrestat ? The caption says "rich sportsman", but I've never heard of him.
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From what I could understand Jules Honorè Secrestat was a wine grower and inventor of two well known drinks of the times, Bitter Secrestat and Tony Kola, sold worldwide in huge quantities. He was probably born in 1822 and that means he was in a very advanced age when he took delivery of his vehicle. It would be interesting to find issue number 33 of the Allgemeine Automobil Zeitung as there is a complete description of the mobile home.
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Kudos to Joao, that was not an easy puzzle.
I too did research on Secrestat and he died in 1905 and I believe the year of construction of the vehicle was 1903, so he only was able to enjoy the ride for part of 2 years.
Bill
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Joao included illustrations from the No2/1905 issue of AAZ. The Nr33/1903 issue featured a description, saying it was based on a 70 hp Mors. The article says that Jules Secrestat was a rich sportsman from Bordeaux
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And that article tells us that it wasn't called "Automobil-Wohnung", that is just a German description. Its name was Bourlinguette (vagabond).
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A point to João for finding the owner and Panhard connection. A point to Wendax for digging out the actual name of the vehicle, "La Bourlinguette".
I'm surprised so much information about this vehicle was found in German. La Bourlinguette was also described, in English, in the Motor-Car Journal from October 10th, 1903.
Strangely enough, this apparently newer, green vehicle also carries the name La Bourlinguette. It is described as being constructed by Henri Lafitte in Bordeaux. The name, boxy design, and solid wheels are similar. I am inclined to believe, the Henri Lafitte descriptive text refers to M. Secrestat's original vehicle.
(January 2022 revision: A French magazine article describes this green vehicle as a 1913 Loiret, based on a Renault chassis. The image label indicating this is La Bourlinguette is incorrect.)
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It would be nice to have a translation of the last German page, 193033_2.jpg. There seem to be a lot of technical details in there.
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Mr. Secretat' Bourlinguette was 7 m long and 2.5 m wide. The engine was a 20 hp Panhard, coupled to a four-speed gearbox. Top speed was 30 km/h. La Bourlinguette weighed 3500 kg, when all 5 passengers (Mr. Secretat and his wife, Mr. Plazanet and his wife, and the servant) were on board. The front compartment consisted of a driver's seat, a foldable bed for him, as well as four seats "in case the travellers want to see the road they are going". The center compartment serves as living room, dining room and sleeping room. The four beds can be turned upright, looking like mirror cabinets then. The seats at the side of the vehicle are stowaway boxes as well. At night a heavy curtain separates the compartment into two sleeping rooms, each with a small table. The tables can be combined with a third one to serve as dinner table. The center compartment is made from mahogany wood. Sliding doors with painted glass windows separate this room from the rest. The glass window to the front shows Mr. Secretat riding his 70 hp Mors, the rear one a picture of his Russian hunting dog. The rear compartment contains the kitchen. La Bourlinguette had three brakes and a device could be lowered behind the rear axle to prevent moving backwards when standing at a slope.
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Nice! Thanks guys. ;)
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Some Sécrestat products.
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There's so much confusion and misinformation in this old thread that I felt the need to post the correct info for clarification:
- Name: la "Bourlinguette"
- Builder: Henri Lafitte
- Commissioned by: Jules Secrestat
- Completed: no later than 1902 (French article below published 1 January 1903)
- Motor: Panhard 20 hp
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