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PBP #407 - Leon B. Gollnick's 1919 Oldsmobile(?) Bus, Vero Beach FL
« on: January 12, 2013, 04:19:17 AM »
For one point: name this bus, and the man who built it

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Re: Prewar Bus Puzzle #407
« Reply #1 on: January 19, 2013, 05:13:06 AM »
Bussed up
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Re: Prewar Bus Puzzle #407
« Reply #2 on: January 19, 2013, 11:53:45 AM »
The base seems to be a Ford TT without doubt, may the coachbuilder be Gotfredson?
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Re: Prewar Bus Puzzle #407
« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2013, 02:01:29 AM »
Not a Ford
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Re: Prewar Bus Puzzle #407
« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2013, 01:46:33 PM »
White?
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Re: Prewar Bus Puzzle #407
« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2013, 04:09:56 PM »
Nope
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Re: Prewar Bus Puzzle #407
« Reply #6 on: January 20, 2013, 11:57:39 PM »

How they could put a huge bus body like that on a little Model T or TT Ford chassis and expect it to stop amazes me!!

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Re: Prewar Bus Puzzle #407
« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2013, 04:03:39 PM »
Quote from: Manuel on January 20, 2013, 11:57:39 PM

How they could put a huge bus body like that on a little Model T or TT Ford chassis and expect it to stop amazes me!!

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According to Otto it is no Ford. And stopping was not a priority on old cars it seems. Just joking.

Is the chassis American?
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Re: Prewar Bus Puzzle #407
« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2013, 04:39:19 PM »
Yep - it's from the US, but is not a Ford.
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Re: Prewar Bus Puzzle #407
« Reply #9 on: January 21, 2013, 05:54:29 PM »

Don't want to rock the boat but it looks like a T or TT Ford from here.

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Re: Prewar Bus Puzzle #407
« Reply #10 on: January 21, 2013, 10:38:51 PM »
Quote from: Manuel on January 21, 2013, 05:54:29 PM

Don't want to rock the boat but it looks like a T or TT Ford from here.

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The hood is too long for a T or TT.  Could it be a Federal?
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Re: Prewar Bus Puzzle #407
« Reply #11 on: January 21, 2013, 11:21:40 PM »
I think the hood looks like a very early Oldsmobile (not REO) truck.  That would probably make it about 1919, as that was when Oldsmobile bought out Economy Truck.  I'll wait for a reply before I start chasing coachbuilders.
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Re: Prewar Bus Puzzle #407
« Reply #12 on: January 22, 2013, 03:20:26 AM »
Quote from: RayTheRat on January 21, 2013, 10:38:51 PM
The hood is too long for a T or TT.  Could it be a Federal?

Not a Federal
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Re: Prewar Bus Puzzle #407
« Reply #13 on: January 22, 2013, 03:21:00 AM »
Quote from: 4popoid on January 21, 2013, 11:21:40 PM
I think the hood looks like a very early Oldsmobile (not REO) truck.  That would probably make it about 1919, as that was when Oldsmobile bought out Economy Truck.  I'll wait for a reply before I start chasing coachbuilders.

Oldsmobile it is! I'll be intrigued to find out how you settled on 1919 as the year, as that is also correct.

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Re: Prewar Bus Puzzle #407
« Reply #14 on: January 22, 2013, 10:25:11 AM »
Easy question Otto.  I actually thought it looked a bit older, but 1919 was the year that Oldsmobile bought Economy, and made their first truck.  So it could have been older, but wouldn't have been an Oldsmobile, and somehow I just didn't think it was an Economy.  So I went as old as I could, and still get an Olds.
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Re: Prewar Bus Puzzle #407
« Reply #15 on: January 22, 2013, 08:50:36 PM »
Your quest for "the man who built it" is a bit fuzzy, but, according to a history book for Indian River County, Florida, in 1919 Vero Beach's first schoolbus driver, Leon B. Gollnick, had the contract for transporting district school children.  Accordingly: "He purchased a new Oldsmobile truck and added a body.....".  From this it isn't entirely clear if he bought the chassis and added a prebuilt body, had a custom body added, or if he actually built the body himself.  Whatever the case, I assume that Leon B. Gollnick is the name that you are looking for. 
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Re: Prewar Bus Puzzle #407
« Reply #16 on: January 23, 2013, 02:18:53 AM »

I cannot find any pics of an Olds truck [veteran or vintage] with a transverse front spring.

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Re: Prewar Bus Puzzle #407
« Reply #17 on: January 23, 2013, 03:27:39 AM »
Quote from: Manuel on January 23, 2013, 02:18:53 AM

I cannot find any pics of an Olds truck [veteran or vintage] with a transverse front spring.

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I have to agree with you, Manuel.  Olds trucks were built from 1919 til about 1938 (maybe longer...I'm not positive on the end date.)  None of them had transverse leaf springs...at least none of 'em that I've seen.  However, the bus in the puzzle isn't a Ford.  As I wrote earlier, the hood's too long for a T/TT.  I'd sure like to see a better photo of that bus.

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Re: Prewar Bus Puzzle #407
« Reply #18 on: January 23, 2013, 04:02:36 AM »
That's information the historical site gave me.

Please address further inquiries to:

Jack Wilkinson
c/o Indian River County Historical Society Archive Center, Indian River County Main Library
1600 21st St, Vero Beach, FL 32960
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