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Title: Solved: Wendax 1095 - Alfi 5/20 PS
Post by: Wendax on December 08, 2013, 06:34:30 AM
Special pro offer: four cars for the price of two!

You can see four cars in the picture below. Three of them come from well known manufacturers, one doesn't.

For one point, please respond and identify the rare car.
Another point is on offer for the puzzler identifying the manufacturers of the other three cars.

Happy puzzling!
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: pnegyesi on December 08, 2013, 12:32:30 PM
Is the photo available online?
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: Wendax on December 08, 2013, 12:42:35 PM
It was available online. Let your grey cells do the work  ;)
Three of them are easy!
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: pnegyesi on December 08, 2013, 01:06:38 PM
were the three cars made by Protos?
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: Wendax on December 08, 2013, 01:18:46 PM
No, perhaps you got me wrong. The three "easy" cars were made by three different, but well known makers. None of them was Protos.
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: pnegyesi on December 08, 2013, 01:19:37 PM
is that a NAG in the far left corner?
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: Wendax on December 08, 2013, 01:28:40 PM
No
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: pnegyesi on December 08, 2013, 01:32:38 PM
is it a Beckmann (far left corner)?
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: Wendax on December 08, 2013, 01:45:27 PM
No
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: pnegyesi on December 08, 2013, 01:50:25 PM
is one of the cars a Falcon?
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: Wendax on December 08, 2013, 02:04:30 PM
No
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: pnegyesi on December 08, 2013, 02:08:00 PM
is there a Brennabor (maybe the right corner)?
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: targhediferro on December 08, 2013, 03:22:01 PM
Is the first on the left an Hansa, perhaps an M6?
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: Wendax on December 08, 2013, 03:47:45 PM
No Brennabor, no Hansa
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: pnegyesi on December 08, 2013, 03:55:39 PM
is that a Stoewer at the left?
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: Wendax on December 08, 2013, 03:57:33 PM
No
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: pnegyesi on December 08, 2013, 04:19:19 PM
do we have a Dürkopp in the picture?
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: Wendax on December 08, 2013, 04:31:57 PM
No
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: targhediferro on December 09, 2013, 07:28:40 AM
I guess the obscure one is the second from right...From the left, I would say the others may be Audi, Dixi and Opel.
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: Wendax on December 09, 2013, 07:40:19 AM
I'm not sure whether we are talking about the same "left" and "right". In order to avoid confusion, I have added numbers to the picture, so that we can refer to the cars as #1, #2, #3 and #4.

There is a Dixi in the picture, but neither an Audi nor an Opel.
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: Paul Jaray on December 09, 2013, 07:41:35 AM
Are there only German cars?
According to your replies, is this correct, so far?

1- Not Protos, Falcon, Brennabor, Dürkopp, Audi, Opel, NAG, Beckmann, Hansa, Stoewer
2- Not Protos, Falcon, Brennabor, Dürkopp, Audi, Opel
3- Not Protos, Falcon, Brennabor, Dürkopp, Audi, Opel
4- Not Protos, Falcon, Brennabor, Dürkopp, Audi, Opel
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: Wendax on December 09, 2013, 08:14:45 AM
Are there only German cars?
Yes

According to your replies, is this correct, so far?

1- Not Protos, Falcon, Brennabor, Dürkopp, Audi, Opel, NAG, Beckmann, Hansa, Stoewer
2- Not Protos, Falcon, Brennabor, Dürkopp, Audi, Opel
3- Not Protos, Falcon, Brennabor, Dürkopp, Audi, Opel
4- Not Protos, Falcon, Brennabor, Dürkopp, Audi, Opel
Yes, and one of them is a Dixi.
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: Allan L on December 09, 2013, 08:25:46 AM
I think no. 1 may be a Dixi 6/24
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: Wendax on December 09, 2013, 08:42:28 AM
The Dixi 6/24 PS is not #1.
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: pnegyesi on December 09, 2013, 09:37:04 AM
the Dixi should be No4
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: Wendax on December 09, 2013, 09:51:03 AM
No
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: targhediferro on December 09, 2013, 10:24:42 AM
 I meant that the Dixi is the number 3.  And I think n.2 is the obscure marque one.   Is number 1 a Steiger?
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: Wendax on December 09, 2013, 10:30:36 AM
I meant that the Dixi is the number 3.
Exactly!

And I think n.2 is the obscure marque one.
I won't comment.

Is number 1 a Steiger?
No
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: targhediferro on December 09, 2013, 10:31:59 AM
Is number 1 an Horch?
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: Wendax on December 09, 2013, 10:32:32 AM
Right again!
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: João on December 09, 2013, 02:10:52 PM
Car number #4 : A Dux?
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: targhediferro on December 09, 2013, 03:01:09 PM
Number 4 perhaps a Mauser, and number 2 a Simson-Supra?
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: Wendax on December 09, 2013, 04:31:34 PM
No Dux, no Mauser, no Simson-Supra here.
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: targhediferro on December 09, 2013, 04:54:45 PM
Number 2 an EGO, and n.4 an AGA?
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: Wendax on December 09, 2013, 05:06:52 PM
Neither nor
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: targhediferro on December 09, 2013, 05:32:32 PM
Is number 4 an Adler?
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: 4popoid on December 09, 2013, 05:34:49 PM
Is #2 perhaps a Selve?
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: ropat53 on December 09, 2013, 09:22:45 PM
#4 NSU?
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: Wendax on December 10, 2013, 02:12:12 AM
Is number 4 an Adler?
No

Is #2 perhaps a Selve?
No

#4 NSU?
Yes! Now we have the cars by the well known manufacturers. One point is awaiting you, ropat53, when the remaining car #2 is identified.
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: 4popoid on December 10, 2013, 02:57:20 AM
Is #2 perhaps a Körting?
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: Wendax on December 10, 2013, 03:00:56 AM
No
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: targhediferro on December 10, 2013, 04:55:39 AM
  >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: Wendax on December 10, 2013, 05:05:05 AM
Detailed looks at the radiator masks:
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: Wendax on December 10, 2013, 05:49:40 AM
  >:( >:( >:(

Another point is on offer for the puzzler identifying the manufacturers of the other three cars.

Happy puzzling!
;)
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: targhediferro on December 10, 2013, 10:24:37 AM
Is number 2 is a Carl Benz & Sohne ?
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: 4popoid on December 10, 2013, 12:41:59 PM
Let's tie the time frame down a little tighter.  Is car #2 from the time period 1919-1925, by a builder that only existed during that period?
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: Wendax on December 10, 2013, 12:52:25 PM
Is number 2 is a Carl Benz & Sohne ?
No
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: Wendax on December 10, 2013, 12:56:15 PM
Let's tie the time frame down a little tighter.  Is car #2 from the time period 1919-1925, by a builder that only existed during that period?
If you enlarge that time span a little, you are right.
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: 4popoid on December 10, 2013, 01:20:37 PM
Is #2 an Audi (Type G, 1914-1923)?
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: Wendax on December 10, 2013, 01:47:30 PM
No, much more obscure than Audi
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: targhediferro on December 10, 2013, 02:28:23 PM
Is number 2 a Fulmina?
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: Wendax on December 10, 2013, 02:36:58 PM
No
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: targhediferro on December 10, 2013, 02:41:50 PM
Apollo?
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: Wendax on December 10, 2013, 03:18:49 PM
No, less known
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: 4popoid on December 10, 2013, 03:23:15 PM
Is #2 perhaps a Fox?
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: Wendax on December 10, 2013, 03:26:10 PM
No
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: targhediferro on December 10, 2013, 05:27:47 PM
NUG?
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: 4popoid on December 10, 2013, 05:49:16 PM
Is #2 perhaps a Dinos?
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: Wendax on December 11, 2013, 01:57:19 AM
Not NUG, not Dinos
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: 4popoid on December 11, 2013, 02:38:38 AM
OK, how about BF (Bolle-Fiedler Automobilwerke GmbH) a forerunner to the Rohr?
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: Wendax on December 11, 2013, 02:39:51 AM
No
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: targhediferro on December 11, 2013, 02:46:46 AM
Loreley?
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: Wendax on December 11, 2013, 03:03:41 AM
No
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: pnegyesi on December 11, 2013, 03:44:29 AM
AGA?
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: Wendax on December 11, 2013, 03:59:57 AM
No
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: 4popoid on December 11, 2013, 04:03:22 AM
HAG or HAG-Gastell?
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: Wendax on December 11, 2013, 04:04:00 AM
No
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: targhediferro on December 11, 2013, 05:22:00 AM
Is it a Grade?
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: Wendax on December 11, 2013, 05:24:31 AM
No
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: targhediferro on December 11, 2013, 05:25:41 AM
Hataz?
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: Wendax on December 11, 2013, 05:49:59 AM
No
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: targhediferro on December 11, 2013, 12:27:03 PM
Cyklon (Schebera), perhaps a 5/20.
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: 4popoid on December 11, 2013, 12:58:58 PM
Is #2 perhaps a Badenia?
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: targhediferro on December 11, 2013, 01:00:46 PM
I modify my previous guess...is it a Mannesmann 4/15 or 5/20?
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: Wendax on December 11, 2013, 01:15:38 PM
Neither of the above
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: targhediferro on December 11, 2013, 01:30:11 PM
Heim?
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: 4popoid on December 11, 2013, 01:32:58 PM
Well I got a point with this one before, but this is a different context.  How about a Mölkamp?
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: Wendax on December 11, 2013, 01:51:42 PM
So far, we know that #2 is not a:
Adler
AGA
Apollo
Audi
Badenia
Beckmann
Benz Söhne
BF
Brennabor
Cyklon
Dinos
Dixi
Dürkopp
Dux
Ego
Falcon
Fox
Fulmina
Grade
HAG
HAG-Gastell
Hansa
Hataz
Heim
Horch
Körting
Loreley
Mannesmann
Mauser
Mölkamp
NAG
NSU
Nug
Opel
Protos
Schebera
Selve
Simson-Supra
Steiger
Stoewer
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: targhediferro on December 11, 2013, 02:31:30 PM
Koco?
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: Wendax on December 11, 2013, 02:31:54 PM
No
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: targhediferro on December 11, 2013, 02:39:09 PM
Freja?
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: Wendax on December 11, 2013, 04:10:53 PM
Not Freia
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: targhediferro on December 11, 2013, 04:56:19 PM
Elite?
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: Wendax on December 11, 2013, 05:00:49 PM
No
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: targhediferro on December 11, 2013, 05:23:55 PM
I've almost finished my worms to go fishing...Bob?
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: João on December 11, 2013, 07:46:28 PM
Mikromobil?
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: 4popoid on December 12, 2013, 01:46:11 AM
Is #2 perhaps a Joswin?
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: Wendax on December 12, 2013, 02:26:37 AM
Three times no
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: 4popoid on December 12, 2013, 02:39:03 AM
Is #2 perhaps an Ehrhart Szawe?
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: Wendax on December 12, 2013, 02:41:18 AM
Neither Ehrhardt-Szawe nor Szawe
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: 4popoid on December 12, 2013, 02:54:32 AM
Is #2 perhaps a Pilot?
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: Wendax on December 12, 2013, 02:57:20 AM
No
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: 4popoid on December 12, 2013, 03:18:32 AM
Something has been bothering me for a couple of days.  When you said no to the Simson-Supra, you didn't say no to the Simson, like you did to the Ehrhardt-Szawe/ Szawe.  Was this just an oversight, or was it deliberate?  In other words, might #2 be a Simson (not a Simson-Supra)?
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: Wendax on December 12, 2013, 03:21:23 AM
No, I would have told you, if your answer was partially right.  :)
It is not a Simson either.
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: targhediferro on December 12, 2013, 08:56:50 AM
Fafnir?
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: Wendax on December 12, 2013, 08:57:33 AM
No
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: targhediferro on December 12, 2013, 09:01:18 AM
Ferbedo?
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: Wendax on December 12, 2013, 09:09:17 AM
No
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: targhediferro on December 12, 2013, 10:11:25 AM
Pluto?
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: Wendax on December 12, 2013, 11:03:33 AM
No
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: targhediferro on December 12, 2013, 01:13:25 PM
Diabolo?
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: Wendax on December 12, 2013, 01:22:03 PM
So far, we know that #2 is not a:
Adler
AGA
Apollo
Audi
Badenia
Beckmann
Benz Söhne
BF
Bob
Brennabor
Cyklon
Diabolo
Dinos
Dixi
Dürkopp
Dux
Ego
Ehrhardt-Szawe
Elite
Fafnir
Falcon
Ferbedo
Fox
Freia
Fulmina
Grade
HAG
HAG-Gastell
Hansa
Hataz
Heim
Horch
Joswin
Koco
Körting
Loreley
Mannesmann
Mauser
Mikromobil
Mölkamp
NAG
NSU
Nug
Opel
Pilot
Pluto
Protos
Schebera
Selve
Simson
Simson-Supra
Steiger
Stoewer
Szawe
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: targhediferro on December 12, 2013, 01:23:14 PM
Garbaty?
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: Wendax on December 12, 2013, 01:24:49 PM
No
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: targhediferro on December 12, 2013, 03:10:16 PM
Sphinx?
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: Paul Jaray on December 12, 2013, 04:21:12 PM
Club?
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: Wendax on December 12, 2013, 04:55:36 PM
Neither one
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: targhediferro on December 12, 2013, 05:15:39 PM
Komnick?
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: Wendax on December 12, 2013, 05:23:30 PM
No
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: targhediferro on December 12, 2013, 05:24:34 PM
Kuhn?
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: Wendax on December 12, 2013, 05:26:23 PM
Not Kühn
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: 4popoid on December 13, 2013, 01:07:38 AM
Presto?
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: Wendax on December 13, 2013, 02:14:26 AM
No
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: targhediferro on December 13, 2013, 03:59:28 AM
Schutte-Lanz?
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: Wendax on December 13, 2013, 04:25:18 AM
Not Schütte-Lanz
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: pnegyesi on December 13, 2013, 04:28:13 AM
Let's tie the time frame down a little tighter.  Is car #2 from the time period 1919-1925, by a builder that only existed during that period?
If you enlarge that time span a little, you are right.

You mean, from 1915-1930?
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: Wendax on December 13, 2013, 04:53:02 AM
Yes
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: pnegyesi on December 13, 2013, 05:43:17 AM
Faun?
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: Wendax on December 13, 2013, 05:47:43 AM
No
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: 4popoid on December 13, 2013, 07:01:45 AM
Hildebrand?
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: Wendax on December 13, 2013, 07:06:49 AM
No
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: targhediferro on December 13, 2013, 07:10:14 AM
Geha?
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: Wendax on December 13, 2013, 07:37:48 AM
No
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: targhediferro on December 13, 2013, 07:59:17 AM
Priamus?
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: Wendax on December 13, 2013, 08:00:52 AM
No
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: targhediferro on December 13, 2013, 08:11:51 AM
Wesnigk?
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: Wendax on December 13, 2013, 08:17:50 AM
So far, we know that #2 is not a:
Adler
AGA
Apollo
Audi
Badenia
Beckmann
Benz Söhne
BF
Bob
Brennabor
Club
Cyklon
Diabolo
Dinos
Dixi
Dürkopp
Dux
Ego
Ehrhardt-Szawe
Elite
Fafnir
Falcon
Faun
Ferbedo
Fox
Freia
Fulmina
Garbaty
Geha
Grade
HAG
HAG-Gastell
Hansa
Hataz
Heim
Hildebrand
Horch
Joswin
Koco
Körting
Komnick
Kühn
Loreley
Mannesmann
Mauser
Mikromobil
Mölkamp
NAG
NSU
Nug
Opel
Pilot
Pluto
Presto
Priamus
Protos
Schebera
Schütte-Lanz
Selve
Simson
Simson-Supra
Sphinx
Steiger
Stoewer
Szawe
Wesnigk
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: targhediferro on December 13, 2013, 08:54:12 AM
Is it perhaps a Peter Moritz?...I found a picture from 1922 that, apart from front light, could be similar.
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: Wendax on December 13, 2013, 09:04:06 AM
Not a Peter Moritz, sorry.
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: targhediferro on December 13, 2013, 10:32:59 AM
It's driving me mad....Is it a Rabag?
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: Wendax on December 13, 2013, 12:20:22 PM
No
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: targhediferro on December 13, 2013, 01:15:40 PM
Rhemag? Schuricht?
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: Wendax on December 13, 2013, 01:20:07 PM
Neither Rhemag nor Schuricht
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: targhediferro on December 13, 2013, 01:29:38 PM
Voran ?
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: Wendax on December 13, 2013, 01:56:38 PM
No
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Post by: targhediferro on December 13, 2013, 03:07:44 PM
Sun?
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: Paul Jaray on December 13, 2013, 03:26:52 PM
Magnet 4\14ps?
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: Wendax on December 13, 2013, 04:05:36 PM
Neither Magnet nor Sun
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: Paul Jaray on December 13, 2013, 04:44:07 PM
Was it made by a Coachbuilder?
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: targhediferro on December 13, 2013, 04:45:29 PM
Turbo?
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: Wendax on December 13, 2013, 04:56:01 PM
Was it made by a Coachbuilder?
No, by a car manufacturer which built several models.
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: Wendax on December 13, 2013, 04:58:09 PM
Turbo?
No
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: targhediferro on December 13, 2013, 05:05:36 PM
AAA?
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: Wendax on December 13, 2013, 05:11:20 PM
Finally we are getting somewhere. It is not an AAA, but closely related.

Locked for you to find out more.

(Why don't you guys search alphabetically?  :hah: )
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: targhediferro on December 13, 2013, 05:47:18 PM
Well, among the many things I learned by digging for this quiz, I discovered that AAA (Aktiengesellshaft Akkumulatoren Automobilbau), after changing its name into Electric in 1921, from 1922 to 1926 built some cars under the Alfi logo. I suppose the quiz car is an ALFI, perhaps a 4/14 PS.
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: Wendax on December 13, 2013, 05:57:04 PM
Yes, it is an Alfi, but it is a bit larger than the 4/14 PS.

Still locked for you.
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: targhediferro on December 14, 2013, 02:08:47 AM
Alfi 5/20ps?
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: Wendax on December 14, 2013, 06:31:10 AM
Yes, a hard-earned point for you.
Title: Re: Wendax 1095
Post by: Wendax on December 14, 2013, 06:32:35 AM
The unmodified puzzle picture: