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Puzzles, Games and Name That Car => Solved AutoPuzzles => 2013 => Topic started by: targhediferro on November 07, 2013, 09:36:57 AM
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Quite strange, isn't it? I want to know the base truck and what is it for.
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yes,its certainly strange.Is it based on a soviet LAZ,and used for medical purposes?
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It's a sovietic vehicle, but not a LAZ and not for medical purposes.
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was this vehicle mass produced,or a one-off?
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I don't know; my source doesn't tell production numbers. I suppose it is a one-off or perhaps it could be realized in a little serie.
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I have absolutely no idea what the marque of the vehicle is, but looking at the rear wheels/tyres, it looks like some sort of vehicle to be used on sandy surfaces. The striping on the vehicle would seem to indicate some type of emergency vehicle, police/fire/rescue.
I have no idea why it should be RHD, nothing comes to mind.
Bill
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Sorry Bill, I haven't see your replay before. In some way it is a vehicle used by men with uniform, but not on sandy surfaces (as far as I know).
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Thank you for the tip.
Still no answer, but can this be a vehicle used to inspect/repair road tunnels?
Bill
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No connection with tunnels, sorry.
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Any connection with airfields
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Any connection with airfields
Yes, Locked for D-type for another guess.
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Something to do with Cosmonauts?
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No cosmonautic connection...unlocked.
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Given the reputation of the Russian winter, is this machine simply for taking the crew out to an aircraft?
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No, it's not for taking the crew out to an aircraft, but the connection with aircraft is correct.
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Towing?
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Sorry, not for towing.
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Was it simply a bus for taking passengers out to the aircraft?
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Not a bus for passengers.
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Prisoner bus?
Bill
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Visual checking of aircraft from underneath?
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Visual checking of aircraft from underneath?
That's not what this vehicle was for, but you're on the right path...
Prisoner bus?
Bill
Not a jail truck.
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External power unit for starting engines?
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External power unit for starting engines?
No.
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Is this vehicle used for the de-icing of aircraft?
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Is this vehicle used for the de-icing of aircraft?
Original answer, but no, no ice connection.
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Repainting?
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Some sort of roving TV or Movie producer truck?
I note that there appears to be a large locker on the left/normal drivers side, large windows, a very large entry door and the rear wheels seem to be quite odd and maybe even non-pneumatic.
I also note the top of the vehicle has been Photo-shopped a bit, presumably to remove the bits that would give us the answer.
This assumes something takes place on top of the vehicle??
Bill
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Parcel loading from underneath?
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Parcel loading from underneath?
Not that use.
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I presume its unique body is designed to fit into or around the aircraft?
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Electrical supply?
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I presume its unique body is designed to fit into or around the aircraft?
It could seem so, but it is not.
Electrical supply?
Not for eletrical supply.
A little clue: the function of this truck isn't usually absolved by a vehicle, and every airport needs it.
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Must be an Airfield Mobile Control Tower.
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I'm sorry, I see now that I missed an answer of Hiawatha (repainting), and another from Bill (tv-movie), anyway
Must be an Airfield Mobile Control Tower.
this is the right answer! I lock this quiz for WayneB who has two guess to identify the Brand of this mobile control tower.
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Might be an idea to split the point TGF.
It will be almost impossible to ID the maker of the chassis in my opinion.
I think Wayne has done a very good research job, I spent hours on this one and I am not too bad at that type of research.
Done
Bill
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Perhaps I will do as you suggest Bill....but before I want to give WaineB the chance to be the only winner of this point.
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OK, My Friend...
Just a thought of the moment yesterday.
Bill
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Thanks for the support Bill, I appreciate it. :)
Sometimes it gets very "Dog Eat Dog" on this forum, I like to post up a theory about a car even though I probably cant get the answer by myself, to help other members (multiple minds better than one)
Getting back to this one, I guess it may be East German and based on an IFA chassis, I don't think its Russian.
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It is Russian, so not IFA. Last try before unlock.
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OK, I will try GAZ.
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Not a Gaz. Unlocked.
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Hi TGF/Wayne:
I don't want to stay off topic too long here, but I agree with you that it gets a bit frustrating here from time to time when all we are doing is trying to solve a riddle.
For my part, I came here to learn, just as much as to compete for puzzle points.
Speaking of learning, in now looking at hundreds and hundreds of photos of airfield support vehicles, I have learned that the markings on the lower part of the vehicle seem to be the standard identification method for mobile air traffic control towers worldwide.
The alternating squares are painted red and white.
As well, some of these vehicles are quite sophisticated. I found several that had a mechanical type of "scissors" mechanism for the rear body so it could be lifted up several meters for better visibility and then lowered again for normal driving.
Another bonus for me regarding this puzzle is that I found 4 images of WWII vehicles of this type which I have now added to my document files as they fit into my primary field of research.
Keep going Wayne and if I find anything of interest I will post it if I think it might help. Right now I am lost as the puzzle vehicle does not fit any identification characteristic criteria that I have seen.
Bill
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Hows about ZIL?
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Hows about ZIL?
Yes !!!! It's a ZIL SA H Aerodrome. ;D A point to WaineB and my congratulation.
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And congratulations to you for a fascinating puzzle. :applause:
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Thanks for the point TGF. :)
Have you got an un doctored photo of it?
Still cant find an image of it on the internet.
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Bravo, Wayne................... :applause: :applause:
Bill
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I've been working 7 months in a TWR like the following one, but can't imagine how it could be in THAT!
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I'm sorry but I can't find the original photo...who knows where I've stored it among the other about 175.000 I have. If if will find it I'll post it, anyway I remenber there is no caption or further informations but the fact it's a Zil SAH, from 1966, and it was used as a control aerodrome vehicle.
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Hi!
From what I could find from Russian sources the car was called ZIL SAK (ЗИЛ САК) and was built in two examples in 1966. Here on picture is a tow section. Apparently there was something else behind usually, performing the ain purpose itself: pre-flight check-ups of aircrafts.
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Hi Faksta.............
I would hope that you can finish out the whole story of this vehicle.
Like many others, I spent some hours trying to find the answer with no success but that is all part of the "game".
Still, it would be nice to have a complete answer as I could not find any reference to any of the ZIL model numbers that have been posted so far. Even though I use Google.ru. I must not be using the correct "questions" and the Russian description of such a vehicle in English may be totally different.
I hope you can add a bit more to this one.
Bill
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So it is also used in an aircraft ground support role?
I just kinda solved the puzzle by guessing, I have absolutely no knowledge of the Russian language, but I did live opposite an airbase for 20 years so have seen a fair bit of ground support equipment.
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I'll post what I've got on this car here when I get home then, not so many time left until then, I hope :)
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Like it happens, the story comes a bit later than supposed, sorry for the waiting. Source of my information is a book called 'Secret cars of the Soviet army' by Evgeny Kochnev.
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The car, called ZIL SAK (SAK stands for 'aerodrome control system'), was developed at ZIL together with Dzerzhinets plant in Moscow in 1966 (Dzerzhinets produced various aggregates; its successor is Aeroelectromash, set up on the basis of the elder plant and also responsible for aggregates like generators, electronics etc.) and built in two examples. The car was an air transportable unit for pre-flight diagnostics, both military and civil. SAK consisted of two sections - the front one (the picture in post #1 here) is a tow section, the rear one carried the power unit (ZIL 135 engine of 180hp driving the generator). The tractor had a driver's seat and some space for personnel and equipment up to 1 tons of weight. Rear wheels of the tractor had built-in electric engines driven by the engine in the rear section (which could also serve as a power source for aircrafts' onboard electric systems). ZIL SAK tractor weighed around 4 tons, had 5540mm in length, the whole two-section unit - 5,5 tons and 8,8 meters. Maximum speed was at 32 kph. The car was tested at Zhukovsky military airfield near Moscow.
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Thanks for the info :)
I thought it may be air transportable due to the angle of the side windows, it looked to me like it was made to fit inside an transport plane.
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Thank you for all these infos; the source where I took the picture just speaks about a mobile control tower, but I understand that its uses are more than one.
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Kudos to faksta :applause: :applause: :applause:
Very nice to get the whole story on this very interesting vehicle at last.
As I wrote earlier, I learned a lot about airport support vehicles in doing research on this puzzle and that is always a valuable addition to my knowledge about different pieces of the automotive world.
faksta, please continue to look now and then for a photo of the complete two vehicle unit just for the record.
Bill