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Re: Solved TGF-149: Rosengart Vivor LR4PL, 1950
« Reply #50 on: July 17, 2013, 08:10:32 PM »
I think it depends on which country you are from.
A "station wagon" in US English is a "Shooting Break" in Brit English and if I remember a "Gentleman Farmers Vehicle" in Swedish.

I have always translated the French "Break" to mean a wooden or steel bodied "Station Wagon" as I know the term.

The term 'Caravan" has always meant to me a camping or travel vehicle.
Mostly, a towed trailer although I have also seen the term applied to small motorized campers.

Nowadays in my country, they call them SUVs or Crossovers and they are very boring.  No more wood sides and tailgates nor even the false plastic appliques that looked like wood that they used into the 1960's.

Here is what a true "Break/Station Wagon" should look like.

Bill
Shooting Break/Brake has always a sporty flavor as far as I know and Opel called their station wagons 'Caravan' for ages... Peugeot/Citroen call them 'Break' instead while VW said 'Variant' and Ford 'Turnier' to them..
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Re: Solved TGF-149: Rosengart Vivor LR4PL, 1950
« Reply #51 on: July 18, 2013, 04:34:06 AM »
A "station wagon" in US English is a "Shooting Break" in Brit English
Bill

Shooting BRAKE Bill, not 'Break', but since you're from yon side of the pond I'll forgive you this one transgression!

From Wikipedia:

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A brake (French:break), was a horse-drawn carriage used in the 19th and early 20th centuries in the training of horses for draft work. A shooting-brake, was a brake pressed into service to carry beaters, gamekeepers and sportsmen with their dogs, guns and game.
 
There were purpose-built shooting-brakes designed to carry the driver and a footman or gamekeeper at the front facing forward, and passengers on longitudinal benches, with their dogs, guns and game borne along the sides in slatted racks.
 
In the 19th century, a brake was a large, four-wheeled carriage-frame with no body, used for breaking in young horses, either singly or in teams of two or four. It has no body parts except for a high seat upon which the driver sits and a small platform for a helper immediately behind.
 
If the passenger seats were made permanent the vehicle might be described as a waggonette.
 
Currently the term is sometimes used for an estate car (see also shooting-brake) or station wagon. In France, the term break is synonymous with a station wagon, having been called a break de chasse, literally translated: hunting break.
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Re: Solved TGF-149: Rosengart Vivor LR4PL, 1950
« Reply #52 on: July 18, 2013, 04:18:21 PM »
Well, Norman, when it was decided to let Colonials join this merry band, you had to know some of us would butcher the true "English Language". ;D

Thank goodness I spent two years in Canada where although they have bastardized the language to an extent, I did learn the proper British spelling for many words.

In any case, this was an interesting one, a barely three pager, and demonstrated the excellent international cooperation on this Forum.  Always fun.

Bill

Cheers
Bill

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Re: Solved TGF-149: Rosengart Vivor LR4PL, 1950
« Reply #53 on: February 12, 2019, 06:37:21 AM »
A sur-Vivor:  ;D

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Re: Solved TGF-149: Rosengart Vivor LR4PL, 1950
« Reply #54 on: September 26, 2023, 07:35:43 AM »
Another sur-Vivor: