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What car does this engine belong to.
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Re: ropat#23
« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2013, 09:05:30 PM »
Up for experts

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Re: ropat#23
« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2013, 02:29:59 PM »
Twelve in line...Hispano Suiza?

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Re: ropat#23
« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2013, 02:58:55 PM »
Not Hispano Suiza and not straight 12

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Re: ropat#23
« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2013, 03:11:57 PM »
Of course it is a six...I don't know how I counted them.
First decade of XX century?

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Re: ropat#23
« Reply #5 on: April 26, 2013, 03:43:54 PM »
Yes first decade

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Re: ropat#23
« Reply #6 on: April 26, 2013, 04:30:43 PM »
Napier?
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Re: ropat#23
« Reply #7 on: April 26, 2013, 05:24:20 PM »
Not Napier not British

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Re: ropat#23
« Reply #8 on: April 26, 2013, 05:45:01 PM »
Is it a Spyker from 1903 then?
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Re: ropat#23
« Reply #9 on: April 26, 2013, 06:10:27 PM »
Not Spyker not Dutch

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Re: ropat#23
« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2013, 10:41:27 AM »
Well, that's my knowledge of Edwardian era sixes exhausted! :scratch:
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Re: ropat#23
« Reply #11 on: April 27, 2013, 11:00:13 AM »
Come on, England and Holland weren't the only countries to make big six cylinder engines, keep on trying.

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Re: ropat#23
« Reply #12 on: April 27, 2013, 05:29:13 PM »
Fiat?

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Re: ropat#23
« Reply #13 on: April 27, 2013, 05:47:18 PM »
Not FIAT but you're getting closer

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Re: ropat#23
« Reply #14 on: April 27, 2013, 09:45:13 PM »
How about a Diatto (or Diatto-Clement) from about 1908?

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Re: ropat#23
« Reply #15 on: April 27, 2013, 11:35:53 PM »
Not Diatto-Clément, but the right countries.

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Re: ropat#23
« Reply #16 on: April 27, 2013, 11:49:33 PM »
Aquila Italiana?

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Re: ropat#23
« Reply #17 on: April 28, 2013, 11:14:02 AM »
No not Aquila Italiana. Read my previous answer

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Re: ropat#23
« Reply #18 on: April 28, 2013, 12:21:56 PM »
No not Aquila Italiana. Read my previous answer
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Your previous answer says "Not Diatto-Clément, but the right countries."
Now, Aquila Italiana were from Torino  and  Diatto or Diatto-Clément also came from Torino.  So, are you saying that this manufacturer is Italian but not from Torino?
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Re: ropat#23
« Reply #19 on: April 28, 2013, 12:54:01 PM »
You say...right countries!  Is this engine Italian-French?

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Re: ropat#23
« Reply #20 on: April 28, 2013, 02:37:33 PM »
Florentia (licensee of Rochet-Schneider) from about 1907?

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Re: ropat#23
« Reply #21 on: April 28, 2013, 06:11:10 PM »
You say...right countries!  Is this engine Italian-French?
Yes these two countries are involved, but in different order.

Not Florentia (licensee of Rochet-Schneider)

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Re: ropat#23
« Reply #22 on: April 29, 2013, 01:48:49 AM »
Well if I understand where this puzzle is going, it appears that we are looking for a French 6 cyl. engine, and possibly a French marque, but with some sort of Italian connection.  Therefore, let's try this scenario: In 1907 De Dietrich purchased Isotta-Fraschini, who produced chassis into which De Dietrich installed their engines, for sale as De Dietrichs.  In 1908 De Dietrich produced a six cylinder 70/80 HP engine.  I don't know if this engine was ever placed in a Isotta-Fraschini chassis, nor can I find a picture if the De Dietrich 6 cylinder, but on the chance that this might be the correct answer, I'll guess that the puzzle engine is a 1908 De Dietrich 6 cylinder 70/80 HP.

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Re: ropat#23
« Reply #23 on: April 29, 2013, 08:50:11 AM »
It's not de Dietrich and Isotta Fraschini, but your on the right track.
One more hint it's French but made in Italy.

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Re: ropat#23
« Reply #24 on: April 29, 2013, 09:46:32 AM »
Welleyes-Ceirano 1905?