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Title: Solved: PN #430 -- TAM Pionir bus, 1950
Post by: pnegyesi on January 01, 2013, 12:08:42 PM
I usually don't post buses, but I think this will be a challenge for you. So who built this? What was its name?
Title: Re: PN #430
Post by: pnegyesi on January 09, 2013, 08:41:54 AM
Experts?
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Post by: targhediferro on January 09, 2013, 10:49:13 AM
I try to begin from the end...is the coachbuilder Viberti?
Title: Re: PN #430
Post by: pnegyesi on January 09, 2013, 10:56:55 AM
no
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Post by: Hiawatha on January 09, 2013, 01:16:47 PM
Garavini?
Title: Re: PN #430
Post by: pnegyesi on January 09, 2013, 01:18:41 PM
no
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Post by: targhediferro on January 13, 2013, 11:58:47 AM
Fiat 666 based?
Title: Re: PN #430
Post by: pnegyesi on January 13, 2013, 12:02:55 PM
no
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Post by: targhediferro on January 13, 2013, 12:34:34 PM
Italian?
Title: Re: PN #430
Post by: pnegyesi on January 13, 2013, 12:40:03 PM
no
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Post by: sixtee5cuda on January 13, 2013, 01:08:52 PM
German?
Title: Re: PN #430
Post by: pnegyesi on January 13, 2013, 01:32:23 PM
no (and to spare the next two questions: not from Austria or Hungary :))
Title: Re: PN #430
Post by: pnegyesi on January 17, 2013, 05:14:56 AM
Professionals?
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Post by: woodinsight on January 17, 2013, 06:53:11 AM
Czechoslovakian?
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Post by: pguillem on January 17, 2013, 10:07:07 AM
Swedish ?
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Post by: Bill Murray on January 17, 2013, 10:27:06 AM
I am nowhere near a complete answer, but......

The headlamp style, the styling of the grille/radiator mask bars and what little we can see of the makers badge on the front could suggest a mid 1950's Scania.

As to the mission of the bus, it looks to me like either a "safari" type bus or maybe a military one except for all the chromium on it.
Title: Re: PN #430
Post by: pnegyesi on January 17, 2013, 10:35:37 AM
There's a connection to Czechoslovakia, but not from there.

Bill, unfortunately all of your assumptions are wrong. And it is not Swedish either
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Post by: Hiawatha on January 17, 2013, 10:48:11 AM
Spanish?
Title: Re: PN #430
Post by: pnegyesi on January 17, 2013, 11:08:53 AM
no
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Post by: woodinsight on January 17, 2013, 11:37:41 AM
Czechoslovakian coachwork?
Title: Re: PN #430
Post by: pnegyesi on January 17, 2013, 11:43:22 AM
no
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Post by: grobmotorix on January 17, 2013, 12:01:00 PM
Could it be a Berna logo?
Title: Re: PN #430
Post by: pnegyesi on January 17, 2013, 12:16:34 PM
maybe it was copied :) It is not a Berna
Title: Re: PN #430
Post by: pguillem on January 17, 2013, 04:23:01 PM
Was it bodied in Czechoslovakia ?

Any relation with Drauz ?
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Post by: pnegyesi on January 17, 2013, 11:15:14 PM
Nothing
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Post by: DeAutogids on January 18, 2013, 03:29:27 AM
Buisson bus?
Title: Re: PN #430
Post by: pnegyesi on January 18, 2013, 03:51:32 AM
no
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Post by: pguillem on January 18, 2013, 10:36:30 AM
Any relation with WWII ?
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Post by: DeAutogids on January 18, 2013, 10:42:26 AM
French bus?
Title: Re: PN #430
Post by: pnegyesi on January 18, 2013, 11:03:51 AM
post - WWII and not French
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Post by: pguillem on January 18, 2013, 03:34:11 PM
From Belgium ?
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Post by: pnegyesi on January 18, 2013, 03:34:46 PM
no
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Post by: pguillem on January 18, 2013, 08:53:06 PM
Holland ?
Title: Re: PN #430
Post by: pnegyesi on January 18, 2013, 11:35:55 PM
no
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Post by: pguillem on January 19, 2013, 10:24:49 AM
Maybe Polish.  A Star 52 ?
Title: Re: PN #430
Post by: pnegyesi on January 19, 2013, 10:39:51 AM
not Polish (so not a Star)
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Post by: pguillem on January 19, 2013, 03:03:45 PM
Italy
Germany
Austria
Hungary
Czechoslowakia
Sweden
Spain
France
Belgium
Holland
Poland

Luxemburg ?
Title: Re: PN #430
Post by: pnegyesi on January 19, 2013, 03:50:31 PM
no
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Post by: Paul Jaray on January 19, 2013, 04:31:03 PM
Is it Swiss?
Title: Re: PN #430
Post by: pnegyesi on January 19, 2013, 11:21:29 PM
no
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Post by: pguillem on January 20, 2013, 01:02:07 AM
Quote from: pguillem on January 19, 2013, 03:03:45 PM
Italy
Germany
Austria
Hungary
Czechoslowakia
Sweden
Spain
France
Belgium
Holland
Poland
Luxemburg
Swiss

but European ?
Title: Re: PN #430
Post by: pnegyesi on January 20, 2013, 02:00:48 AM
yes, from Europe
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Post by: Hiawatha on January 20, 2013, 02:57:03 AM
Portugal?
Title: Re: PN #430
Post by: pnegyesi on January 20, 2013, 03:03:34 AM
no
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Post by: Hiawatha on January 20, 2013, 03:15:29 AM
Greece?
Title: Re: PN #430
Post by: pnegyesi on January 20, 2013, 03:25:51 AM
no
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Post by: Hiawatha on January 20, 2013, 03:27:11 AM
Malta?
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Post by: woodinsight on January 20, 2013, 03:31:06 AM
From the former Yugoslavia?
Title: Re: PN #430
Post by: pnegyesi on January 20, 2013, 03:59:06 AM
woodinsight found the country - it was made in the former YU
Locked for him
Title: Re: PN #430
Post by: woodinsight on January 20, 2013, 02:17:14 PM
After a lot of searching today I have come up with two or maybe three possibles.

Your comment that there is a Czechoslovakian connection leads me to my first choice - T.A.M. (Tovarna Automobilov Maribor) that initially built trucks and buses almost identical to the Czech Praga make.
Title: Re: PN #430
Post by: pnegyesi on January 20, 2013, 02:22:12 PM
Woodinsight - good work! It was built by TAM and it was a licence built version of the Czech Praga. Now all I need is a name. Still locked for you
Title: Re: PN #430
Post by: woodinsight on January 20, 2013, 02:25:01 PM
Pionir?
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Post by: pguillem on January 20, 2013, 03:40:13 PM
Quote from: woodinsight on January 20, 2013, 02:25:01 PM
Pionir?

 :applause:
Title: Re: PN #430
Post by: pnegyesi on January 21, 2013, 12:03:39 AM
Congratulations. This is a 1950 Pionir bus by Tovarna avtomobilov Maribor Tezno, based on a pre-war Praga.
Bodies were also made locally
Title: Re: Solved: PN #430 -- TAM Pionir bus, 1950
Post by: woodinsight on January 21, 2013, 02:53:33 AM
Thank you!
Coachwork may have been by Automontaja or possibly by Karoserija II Oktomvri but I have no way of checking at the moment.
Title: Re: Solved: PN #430 -- TAM Pionir bus, 1950
Post by: pnegyesi on January 21, 2013, 03:11:36 AM
Karoserije je izdelovalo podjetje Avtokaroserija v Košakih
(Coachwork was done by the Avtokaroserija works in Kosaki)
Title: Re: Solved: PN #430 -- TAM Pionir bus, 1950
Post by: woodinsight on January 21, 2013, 03:14:52 AM
Quote from: pnegyesi on January 21, 2013, 03:11:36 AM
Karoserije je izdelovalo podjetje Avtokaroserija v Košakih
(Coachwork was done by the Avtokaroserija works in Kosaki)
Thanks Pal, I knew that Avtokaroserija, Kosaki bodied some F.A.P. Sanos buses but couldn't tie up them with T.A.M.