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Re: PN #399
« Reply #25 on: November 26, 2012, 08:19:50 AM »
not based on a Packard
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Re: PN #399
« Reply #26 on: December 06, 2012, 09:01:52 AM »
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Re: PN #399
« Reply #27 on: December 06, 2012, 05:18:45 PM »
Was this an actual car that was sold in numbers, or a one off?

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Re: PN #399
« Reply #28 on: December 06, 2012, 11:24:40 PM »
Is it from a large company like GM?

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Re: PN #399
« Reply #29 on: December 07, 2012, 08:07:21 AM »
this was a one-off
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Re: PN #399
« Reply #30 on: December 07, 2012, 08:25:18 AM »
this was a one-off

ok, but was the base donor a large company?

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Re: PN #399
« Reply #31 on: December 07, 2012, 10:01:13 AM »
a member of the GM family
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Re: PN #399
« Reply #32 on: December 07, 2012, 09:56:34 PM »
Pontiac?

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Re: PN #399
« Reply #33 on: December 07, 2012, 11:54:49 PM »
no
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Re: PN #399
« Reply #34 on: December 23, 2012, 07:42:13 PM »
Chevrolet?

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Re: PN #399
« Reply #35 on: December 24, 2012, 12:43:07 AM »
yes
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Re: PN #399
« Reply #36 on: December 24, 2012, 07:56:52 PM »
Ames body?

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Re: PN #399
« Reply #37 on: December 25, 2012, 02:08:41 AM »
no, this was a one-off built by an Australian individual
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Re: PN #399
« Reply #38 on: December 26, 2012, 07:44:12 PM »
I'm gonna have to leave this to Manuel or Craig cuz I'm slightly out of touch with historic one-offs from Down Under.   ;)

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Re: PN #399
« Reply #39 on: December 29, 2012, 12:47:48 AM »
the info is available online
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Re: PN #399
« Reply #40 on: December 29, 2012, 09:51:07 AM »
Ok.  Since Manuel and Craig seem to be on holiday, I'll try to narrow it down by year. 

Was the base car (the Chevy) built between 1925 and 1930?

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Re: PN #399
« Reply #41 on: December 29, 2012, 12:26:52 PM »
most probably yes
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Re: PN #399
« Reply #42 on: December 31, 2012, 02:26:52 AM »


Sorry boys. I am stumped on this one as well.
Tho the steering wheel and the bits I can see under the car scream Ford to me.

Happy New Year to all!!

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Re: PN #399
« Reply #43 on: January 19, 2013, 01:45:37 AM »
Clues: the man raced this car in the 1920s but never won a race. So he decided to try his hands on motorboats.
But in the 1930s he built at least one more car
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Re: PN #399
« Reply #44 on: February 11, 2013, 06:52:41 PM »
This car was built by John Jennison in Salisbury (A Northern suburb of Adelaide), in the late 20's. It's not clear when the photo was taken, from what I can figure out, after 1925.

Regarding what the car was based on, I think the answer that is required is Chevrolet. But, looking at the front on view of the car, that front axle and steering wheel are definitely from a Model T Ford, and by the look of it, the front cross member of the chassis as well; the car could have been made out of some Chev parts. That sump also looks T model, to me.
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Re: PN #399
« Reply #45 on: February 11, 2013, 11:47:31 PM »
very well found! Congratulations and two points for you
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Re: Solved: PN #399 -- John Jennison's first special from the 1920s
« Reply #46 on: February 12, 2013, 12:00:39 AM »
Thank you, it's very kind of you.

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Re: Solved: PN #399 -- John Jennison's first special from the 1920s
« Reply #47 on: February 12, 2013, 03:32:35 AM »


Putting Chev steel disc wheels on T Fords was popular in the good old days as was putting OHV 4 cyl Chev/Olds heads on T blocks [which were side valve] to make them breathe and rev better.
There is not much info around on hi speed parts made in Aus/NZ. They were avail from overseas @ great cost. So some did take the plunge and make them here in very small numbers.

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Re: Solved: PN #399 -- John Jennison's first special from the 1920s
« Reply #48 on: February 27, 2013, 07:26:15 PM »
I'm with Manuel.  After seeing the front view, I'm about 99 percent positive that it's not a Chevy frame.  As far as I know, Chevrolet never used a transverse spring...they used twin longitudinal semi-eliptic springs going back to their inception in 1911.  It's one reason the Model T (and the Model A after it) was so popular as a platform for dirt-track jalopies.  With a transverse spring, you could use snubbers to limit the amount of body roll (an early version of the sway bar) which made 'em handle much better than the longitudinal-sprung cars.  And I still gotta agree that the oil pan/bellhousing/transmission looks identical to a Model T's.

The first attached photo shows a Frontenac-head Model T Ford Speedster under construction.  The transverse spring is evident, as is the very large-diameter bellhousing that is characteristics of a Model T.

The 2nd photo shows a Model T Speedster with the same "hallmark" bellhousing and disc wheels.

I'm not arguing for a point, just an accuracy thing.


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Re: Solved: PN #399 -- John Jennison's first special from the 1920s
« Reply #49 on: February 28, 2013, 12:51:36 AM »
You may be right. My assumption was based on the fact that the car stands in front of a Chevy dealership
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