Topic: Solved - NEH 2136: Triumph 2 - Russian home-built

[Paul Jaray]

No need to argue, of course.
If I'm looking for a car I search the net, my books, my HD and I ask for clues.
What's the point in posting the same pic in a different forum and ask for help there? Once you have the solution, you came here and write it down. Where's the fun?
But it was just my opinion, there's no need for a rule in this case: who did it is a member who already proved to be a real enthusiast and not looking for a shortcut.
It will be much worse if a new member will start to use this "trick" to solve easy rookie puzzles, don't you think?

[Allemano]

In my book it should within the gentlemen's agreement that one has to solve a puzzle alone and without help from others.*

Think it's quite different if you found an unknown car and ask for help somewhere to post it later here as a future puzzle.


* I would never ask somebody else...even not my father. He's got no clue

[Otto Puzzell]

 

I don't personally know anyone that would know 99% of the puzzle cars posted here, so there would be no point in asking them. 

[Otto Puzzell]

It will be much worse if a new member will start to use this "trick" to solve easy rookie puzzles, don't you think?

Yes, I agree

[Carnut]

I don't personally know anyone that would know 99% of the puzzle cars posted here, so there would be no point in asking them. 

Actually knowing them and searching and finding them are two entirely different things!
I hardly know any (although I did think I was a bit of a car buff when I joined!) but plenty of them are found on the internet with a bit/lot of searching..

[RayTheRat]

In my book it should within the gentlemen's agreement that one has to solve a puzzle alone and without help from others.*

Think it's quite different if you found an unknown car and ask for help somewhere to post it later here as a future puzzle.


* I would never ask somebody else...even not my father. He's got no clue

I can think of some scenarios where the concept of alone might be "violated" yet in total innocence and without any intent of cheating.  Consider this as an example: A friend comes to visit and sees the puzzle car on my computer monitor.  He says, "I know that car...it's a 1924 Rolls-Canardly."  Or he might say, "Yanno, I saw that car on a website last nite.  I think we could find it again because I was searching for a 1982 Carpmobile (credit/apologies to Otto) and if we look here at this site...."  The friend might also say, "I saw that car in one of my books.  I'll call you when I get home and tell you what I find."

Another situation might be to ask a friend if he remembers a certain car at a certain location/event (race/LSR cars could easily fall into this situation)...like "Do you remember a car that ran at Bonneville around 1970 with turbine power?"   Is this any different from googling "Bonneville turbine" or something like that? 

Taking the idea to the point of reductio ad absurdum, one might say that using one's own collection of printed or digital material would cross the "alone" boundary and THAT would completely prevent me from playing/competing, since, as I've written before, I have post-perfusion syndrome: in other words, memory damage from a bungled coronary bypass surgery.  This and the fear of Alzheimer's Disease is one reason that I find AP so enjoyable, since it keeps my mind running at more than idle speed (or comatose, if I were to spend my days watching the idiot box.)  I hope that a constant "workout regimen" will keep some of the brain cells alive and functioning.

Anyway, aside from "Google Search by image", I don't see other methods of solving puzzles as a bad thing. 

Just my nickel's (tuppence, franc, pfennig or whatever) worth

RtR

[dzima1985]

I so understand, that all discussion began because of me.
Yes, I ,without having thought, published photos of this car at Russian forum.
I so think that it was wrong, though on many Russian (French, German, Italian...) forums there are photos or information on cars earlier solved here.
On Autopuzzles - 1150 members are registered, but game is conducted by 50, 70, 100(?) people, the others probably use AP as a way to participate at other automobile forums.
I already removed those photos and I think , perhaps, that it is necessary to impose a ban on similar inquiries.

[Carnut]

Thanks and thanks for your two penn'orth as well Ray.
We don't want to be the Gestapo so on the whole most ways of finding the answer are OK.
Just want it all to be fair and fun and we certainly don't want to get bogged down in a plethora of impossible-to-enforce rules!

[Allemano]

I can think of some scenarios where the concept of alone might be "violated" yet in total innocence and without any intent of cheating.  Consider this as an example: A friend comes to visit and sees the puzzle car on my computer monitor.  He says, "I know that car...it's a 1924 Rolls-Canardly."  Or he might say, "Yanno, I saw that car on a website last nite.  I think we could find it again because I was searching for a 1982 Carpmobile (credit/apologies to Otto) and if we look here at this site...."  The friend might also say, "I saw that car in one of my books.  I'll call you when I get home and tell you what I find."

Another situation might be to ask a friend if he remembers a certain car at a certain location/event (race/LSR cars could easily fall into this situation)...like "Do you remember a car that ran at Bonneville around 1970 with turbine power?"   Is this any different from googling "Bonneville turbine" or something like that?  

Taking the idea to the point of reductio ad absurdum, one might say that using one's own collection of printed or digital material would cross the "alone" boundary and THAT would completely prevent me from playing/competing, since, as I've written before, I have post-perfusion syndrome: in other words, memory damage from a bungled coronary bypass surgery.  This and the fear of Alzheimer's Disease is one reason that I find AP so enjoyable, since it keeps my mind running at more than idle speed (or comatose, if I were to spend my days watching the idiot box.)  I hope that a constant "workout regimen" will keep some of the brain cells alive and functioning.

Anyway, aside from "Google Search by image", I don't see other methods of solving puzzles as a bad thing.  

Just my nickel's (tuppence, franc, pfennig or whatever) worth

RtR

Of course you can imagine any scenario which contradicts my ideas, but I guess you know what I meant.  

BTW: what does 'my collection' mean? It's not more than a vast amount of snatched up photos taken by someone else or (illegally) scanned and after that euphemistically called 'my collection'.  
I guess not more than 1% of the pics posted here are taken with one's own camera.*


* Maybe it's more than that. I do not scan anymore. It ruins the books..

[Carnut]

Heading for the Black Hole?

[Carnut]

Down we go..

[dzima1985]

Maybe it  is called a "Triumph" ("Триумф")?

[sixtee5cuda]

Does Yava call it "TCP" (ПТС)?

[dzima1985]

Maybe it  is called a "Triumph" ("Триумф")?

Were built only 2 cars in Volgodonsk. One is now in Rostov (I wrote about this earlier), the fate of another is unknown.

[Carnut]

Maybe it  is called a "Triumph" ("Триумф")?

That's correct (well almost - it's Triumph 2 actually) so 2 points for solving a Black Hole puzzle.
Here's the original picture:

[kitaharo]

Built in Volgodonsk (Волгодонск), Russia in 1994
Engine VAZ-2106.

can you post an unedited photo of this one?
thanks a lot

[Carnut]

The picture in my last reply #39, is the unedited version of the puzzle photo.
I don't have any others, sorry.

[kitaharo]

The picture in my last reply #39, is the unedited version of the puzzle photo.
I don't have any others, sorry.

l mean , #7 or #15
they are edited obviously...

[Carnut]

I don't have any photos any more I'm afraid.
You might find them on the Internet...