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Solved - NEH 2571: Mini-based WM Special
« on: March 21, 2013, 09:06:40 AM »
Identify this car correctly for 1 point:

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Re: NEH 2571
« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2013, 05:46:53 AM »
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Re: NEH 2571
« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2013, 09:55:19 AM »
Im sure this is the WM special built by Mike Findeisen?

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Re: NEH 2571
« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2013, 10:09:29 AM »
Im sure this is the WM special built by Mike Findeisen?

It is, yes.
Where have you seen this one before?!
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Re: Solved - NEH 2571: Mini-based WM Special
« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2013, 10:16:22 AM »
I,ve seen in it in a book on mini derivatives,it,s amazing how many different car,s were produced from the mini,Thanks by the way!

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Re: Solved - NEH 2571: Mini-based WM Special
« Reply #5 on: March 29, 2013, 05:30:34 AM »
You do not happen to remember the title of that book, do you?
I'd be much interested!
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Re: Solved - NEH 2571: Mini-based WM Special
« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2013, 06:33:24 AM »
You do not happen to remember the title of that book, do you?
I'd be much interested!
I was going to ask the same...

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Re: Solved - NEH 2571: Mini-based WM Special
« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2013, 07:20:12 AM »
The book was by Jeroen booij,it was the older version of maximum mini ,I no longer have the book but I did remember its contents though, I hope this helps.

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Re: Solved - NEH 2571: Mini-based WM Special
« Reply #8 on: March 29, 2013, 09:33:47 AM »
The book is called 'Maximum Mini' and is available on Amazon.  It's a good book, though it does have many gaps of various Mini specials.
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Re: Solved - NEH 2571: Mini-based WM Special
« Reply #9 on: April 03, 2013, 04:59:15 AM »
The book was by Jeroen booij,it was the older version of maximum mini ,I no longer have the book but I did remember its contents though, I hope this helps.

There's only one version of Maximum Mini and this car is not in there.
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Re: Solved - NEH 2571: Mini-based WM Special
« Reply #10 on: April 03, 2013, 05:12:35 AM »
The book was by Jeroen booij,it was the older version of maximum mini ,I no longer have the book but I did remember its contents though, I hope this helps.

There's only one version of Maximum Mini and this car is not in there.
Some images on the website "Maximum mini" (green letters at the bottom of the photo)
Maybe you helped Google Image..?

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Re: Solved - NEH 2571: Mini-based WM Special
« Reply #11 on: April 03, 2013, 05:15:27 AM »
The book was by Jeroen booij,it was the older version of maximum mini ,I no longer have the book but I did remember its contents though, I hope this helps.

There's only one version of Maximum Mini and this car is not in there.

That doesn't surprise me.
I picked up the picture from Jeroen's excellent 'Maximum Mini' website, which I look at quite regularly.  In fact it hasn't featured on that website for very long, so I think pictures of this car have only recently come to light and Joeren has included it.

That's why I thought this would be a difficult puzzle; as far as I am aware this car doesn't feature anywhere else on the internet at all and Googling 'WM Special' produces no results at all, not even the Maximum Mini website.  Perhaps it needs other key words too, I haven't tried.

Hence I figured unless someone had recently looked at the website and found this new entry there was no way of identifying this puzzle..

I was wrong.  It was solved without a single question.
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Re: Solved - NEH 2571: Mini-based WM Special
« Reply #12 on: April 03, 2013, 05:22:17 AM »
This is what Jeroen wrote about the WM Special (in February this year):

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Okay, enough about the well-known and sought after Mini derivatives now. I've been writing about Unipowers, Broadspeeds, Mini Marcoses and Ogles so much lately that it's about time for something from the other end of the spectrum. The really obscure stuff. So how about a prototype from England's North-East, which I'm pretty sure you've never heard of? Meet the WM Special, built by Mike Findeisen and his son Nick in Bishop Auckland, county Durham in 1981/1982. You may have heard of the Findeisens, though, as they came up with the NCF Blitz in later years. A Mini based buggy they will still build for you. But the WM was their first Mini motorised creature, named after Whittington Mill - the actual place where the thing was built.


Starting point for the special was a rotten Mini that was found in a field nearby and bought for 20 pounds. It appeared to have good subframes, though, and a steel frame with four longintudinal members was made, upon which these subframes were bolted. An aluminium body followed and the Findeisens admitted it wasn't the prettiest, but as it was purely intended as a testbed this didn't really matter to them. Once the car was finished and thoroughly testdriven over the rough farm roads (loosing the battery frequently!) the two men turned to the Vehicle Licensing Office nearby (run by a local policeman) and were given a brand new 'W' registration. Total costs for designing, developing, building and licensing the car: 520 pounds.


By this time the Findeisens unveiled their plans to turn their prototype into production as a 2+2. Kit Car magazine caught up with them and wrote: "It's the forerunner of a new line of kit cars. Most of the lessons learned from the WM are now tucked up in a much more exciting and attractive car, of which an early preliminary styling sketch is shown here. An aluminium bodied, fixed head coupe. The new car features 2+2 seating and uses a Mini front subframe with 1300 A-series power. Estimated price at which people will be able to buy the aluminium and steel body/chassis unit is about 1000 pounds, and the launch date is set for June."


But June 1982 passed and not much happened. The Findeisens decided the kit car scene offered far too many sports cars in the early 1980s and thus decided to concentrate on something thoroughly different. The terrain vehicle became their thing. And the Ford based NCF Diamond was their first car in 1984, not without success. It was followed by the Mini based buggy NCF Blitz, which Nick is building to this very day, along with Land Rover Discovery based and Suzuki Vitara based vehicles. There's even an owner's club. Nick says he has no idea if the WM Special still exists, and neither has any pictures or other stuff of it left. He does remember one 2+2 version was built, though, but again has no idea if it could still exist and has nothing to prov its existed either. Now, you know I'm in for a surprise, so if you do happen to know more about it...
UNQUOTE

I think the only way of identifying this car (unless you knew Mr Findeison back in the 1980s) was by seeing it on the Maximum Mini website in February or March this year.  I'm not even sure it was pictured in Kit Car magazine back in 1982.  As Nick says he "has nothing to prove it existed".
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Re: Solved - NEH 2571: Mini-based WM Special
« Reply #13 on: April 03, 2013, 08:00:26 AM »
The book is called 'Maximum Mini' and is available on Amazon.  It's a good book, though it does have many gaps of various Mini specials.

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Re: Solved - NEH 2571: Mini-based WM Special
« Reply #14 on: April 03, 2013, 01:02:47 PM »
I have "Maximum Mini" and this car is not there.
Maybe this one?
I thought they were the same but if not I'll take it!
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Re: Solved - NEH 2571: Mini-based WM Special
« Reply #15 on: April 03, 2013, 03:38:24 PM »
I'd be very interested to know!
Anyone have that one?
Is that the one you used to have kwgibbs?
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Re: Solved - NEH 2571: Mini-based WM Special
« Reply #16 on: April 03, 2013, 03:43:29 PM »
In the publisher website it was presented as the "Maximum Mini", and if you click the book you reach the other edition.
I think it was the 'prototype' shown before the actual book was ready...if you check also where it's for sale, the number of pages, year and all the id numbers are the same.

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Re: Solved - NEH 2571: Mini-based WM Special
« Reply #17 on: April 03, 2013, 03:51:06 PM »
The two books which PJ showed are the same. I don't know why there are two different covers, but as the ISBN numbers (book IDs) are the same, these got to be the same books.
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Re: Solved - NEH 2571: Mini-based WM Special
« Reply #18 on: April 03, 2013, 03:53:42 PM »
Please kwgibbs, tell us if it's one of those, I don't want to buy the wrong book!
I don't think Jeroen Booij wrote too many books and fortunately they are all quite new (and available!).

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Re: Solved - NEH 2571: Mini-based WM Special
« Reply #19 on: April 05, 2013, 03:26:05 AM »
Paul, you are right.
The second picture shows a non-existing cover that was made up by the publisher before the actual book was ready.
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Re: Solved - NEH 2571: Mini-based WM Special
« Reply #20 on: April 05, 2013, 08:52:29 AM »
Im so sorry for the late response ,if memory serves me right,I believe it was the 2nd book shown, that had  the wm special,also when I was searching for information on the ranger cub ,I came across the wm special as well it showed a lot of the mini-based derivative car,s .I hope this helps?