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Puzzles, Games and Name That Car => Solved AutoPuzzles => 2013 => Topic started by: Djetset on April 15, 2013, 05:06:39 PM
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Forgive the poor-quality photo, but what is the make and model name of this car for a point?
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Up to the Experts.
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Is it LHD or RHD or are there two steering wheels ?
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It could be either, but only one steering wheel!
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Jaguar project?
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Is it a Ginetta Fairlite ?
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No Jaguar or Ginetta connections here.
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Prototype Berkeley Bandit ?
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Not a Berkeley.
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Up to the Pros...
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Is it British?
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By Jove, it is terribly British!
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Martin?
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Not a Martin.
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vale?
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BMC-based?
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Not a Vale, but sort of BMC (as in BL) based.
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MGB-based then?
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Can be MGB-based, along with related other vehicles (nothing like keeping it cryptic hey!) ;)
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Can be MGB-based, along with related other vehicles (nothing like keeping it cryptic hey!) ;)
Related to MGB? You mean Morris Oxfords and their ilk?
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Indeed a Morris (happy 100th birthday!) but younger than an Oxford ;)
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Indeed a Morris (happy 100th birthday!) but younger than an Oxford ;)
Younger? I was thinking the car looked around 1959/60 in style !
So it has a transverse engine then? Mini based?
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Not a transverse engine, and the car is younger than 1959/60.
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The illustrious Marina?
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Yes, based on the wonderous Morris Marina! So, what's the car called?
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Pilgrim?
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Ah, now we're getting somewhere! It is a Pilgrim, so now locked to you for the correct model name.
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Ah, now we're getting somewhere! It is a Pilgrim, so now locked to you for the correct model name.
Looks like a Pilgrim Hawthorn.
Perhaps it's an early prototype for it?
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It is an early Pilgrim Hawthorn prototype, which means that it has a different model name, so remains locked t you.
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It is an early Pilgrim Hawthorn prototype, which means that it has a different model name, so remains locked t you.
Hmmm..
Well, Pilgrim originally wanted to call this model Phantom, but Rolls-Royce were not impressed..
So they changed their ideas to Swift, whereupon Suzuki took exception!
So they settled on the name Hawthorn, but in fact all models made (10 Mk1 and 90 Mk IIs) AND the original prototype were all named Hawthorn! No prototype was made using any other name; this I have on the very top authority!
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Sorry Carnut, all mostly true, but the first examples did go by another name (that you've not listed) and I have the evidence next to my laptop! So, still locked to you...
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Sorry Carnut, all mostly true, but the first examples did go by another name (that you've not listed) and I have the evidence next to my laptop! So, still locked to you...
Noted, but that info may not be right!
I actually spoke to Den Tanner who was the owner of Pilgrim and designed the cars.
It was he who told me 100 cars were made in addition to the prototype, the Mk Is and IIs I listed earlier.
He said that your information can't be right as no other name was used!
He was insistent that all cars made, including the prototype, were named the Hawthorn.
You can ring him yourself to check if you like, I can PM you his phone number!
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PM sent, but I do have a brochure with its original name, which I will scan in once solved ;)
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PM sent, but I do have a brochure with its original name, which I will scan in once solved ;)
OK, but I took it up once more.
Mr Tanner says the picture in your puzzle is of the plug for the Hawthorn. No other name, so I don't think I'm going to be able to find one.
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Mr Tanner didn't really want to answer any more questions, but I believe I've come up with a name that I think is associated with this car: Rapier?
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Ah ha, Rapier is it. Another point to you, and a scan of the Pilgrim Rapier brochure to follow. Watch the British motoring press for more news of Mr Tanner very soon, as he will not be involved with cars for a while! :D
Here's a poor-quality image of the Pilgrim Rapier brochure.
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Thanks for that. Very interesting.
I sent Den Tanner a copy of your picture and asked him about the background to the name and he replied as follows:
"As I said, the picture shows the plug (made from literally a ton of body filler).
Like an unborn baby in the womb, its parents discussed various names for it as it was developing. I'd forgotten that Rapier was even in the frame at one (very early) stage.
By the time the body mould was made the vehicle was named Hawthorn."
So there you have it from the horse's mouth so to speak!