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Title: SOLVED: Djetset #327 - 1:1.75 scale Ferrari 250 GTO by Carrozzeria Allegretti of Modena
Post by: Djetset on February 14, 2010, 07:19:05 AM
I'm going straight to the Pros with this one, as I don't know what it is!  If anyone (Pros or otherwise) can provide proof of its identification, a point will be gratefully awarded.

I only know two things about this Ferrari 250 GTO 'replica;' one is when and where this photo was taken, and the second is what engine/mechanical base it uses.
Title: Re: Djetset #327: Mystery Car 2
Post by: Arunas on February 14, 2010, 07:40:04 AM
American? Datsun-based? Sorry, two questions...
Title: Re: Djetset #327: Mystery Car 2
Post by: Djetset on February 14, 2010, 07:51:56 AM
Don't know if it's American, but assume that it's not as the photo was taken in Europe.  However, I do know that it is definately NOT Datsun Fairlady Z-based.
Title: Re: Djetset #327: Mystery Car 2
Post by: Arunas on February 14, 2010, 07:54:44 AM
Shouldn't there be three vents on the hood?
Title: Re: Djetset #327: Mystery Car 2
Post by: Djetset on February 14, 2010, 07:58:32 AM
Normally on a GTO, or an accurate replica, there should be three vents.   However, I might be able to guess (although I can't be 100% sure) as to why this one has no vents at all on the hood/bonnet.
Title: Re: Djetset #327: Mystery Car 2
Post by: guido66 on February 14, 2010, 09:08:31 AM
 :o Not based on a beetle is it?
Title: Re: Djetset #327: Mystery Car 2
Post by: Paul Jaray on February 14, 2010, 09:35:07 AM
..or a Porsche? (can't be can't be can't be.....)
Title: Re: Djetset #327: Mystery Car 2
Post by: Djetset on February 14, 2010, 11:20:52 AM
No, it's not based around a Beetle or Porsche, but the base car is rear-engined!
Title: Re: Djetset #327: Mystery Car 2
Post by: gilescooperuk on February 14, 2010, 01:23:53 PM
Based on a rear-engined ferrari??

Title: Re: Djetset #327: Mystery Car 2
Post by: Octavia on February 14, 2010, 05:25:39 PM
A Renault Alpine ???
Title: Re: Djetset #327: Mystery Car 2
Post by: Djetset on February 15, 2010, 06:10:30 AM
No, none of the above.
Title: Re: Djetset #327: Mystery Car 2
Post by: Allemano on February 15, 2010, 06:19:45 AM
Fiat 850?
Title: Re: Djetset #327: Mystery Car 2
Post by: Djetset on February 15, 2010, 06:21:27 AM
Getting closer, but not that.
Title: Re: Djetset #327: Mystery Car 2
Post by: guido66 on February 15, 2010, 06:25:49 AM
Skoda?
Title: Re: Djetset #327: Mystery Car 2
Post by: Allemano on February 15, 2010, 06:39:09 AM
the base is Italian?
Title: Re: Djetset #327: Mystery Car 2
Post by: Djetset on February 15, 2010, 06:56:00 AM
Si, the base is Italian, although I'm not certain if the car itself is.
Title: Re: Djetset #327: Mystery Car 2
Post by: Allemano on February 15, 2010, 07:09:01 AM
another Fiat model?
Title: Re: Djetset #327: Mystery Car 2
Post by: Djetset on February 15, 2010, 07:10:01 AM
Yes.
Title: Re: Djetset #327: Mystery Car 2
Post by: Octavia on February 15, 2010, 07:28:22 AM
Fiat 133 ?
Title: Re: Djetset #327: Mystery Car 2
Post by: Djetset on February 15, 2010, 07:59:55 AM
Isn't that Spanish (sort of)?  Anyway, not the 133.
Title: Re: Djetset #327: Mystery Car 2
Post by: guido66 on February 15, 2010, 08:35:36 AM
X1/9?
Title: Re: Djetset #327: Mystery Car 2
Post by: Djetset on February 15, 2010, 08:43:06 AM
No.
Title: Re: Djetset #327: Mystery Car 2
Post by: Octavia on February 15, 2010, 09:36:33 AM
126
Title: Re: Djetset #327: Mystery Car 2
Post by: metalshapes on February 15, 2010, 12:02:13 PM
Fiat 500?
Title: Re: Djetset #327: Mystery Car 2
Post by: Djetset on February 15, 2010, 12:08:52 PM
Metalshapes has got the correct base, which is a Fiat 500.  Now, can you tell me anything more about it?
Title: Re: Djetset #327: Mystery Car 2
Post by: metalshapes on February 19, 2010, 12:31:59 AM
No, that was just a guess.

You already said it wasnt 850 based, the wheelbase didnt look right for a 600, and i thought it looked to old to be 126 based....
Title: Re: Djetset #327: Mystery Car 2
Post by: Djetset on December 04, 2010, 06:22:05 AM
This one hasn't been touched for 10 months and remains a mystery, so it will be on its way to The Black Hole in a few days, unless anyone can prove what it is.  ???
Title: Re: Djetset #327: Mystery Car 2
Post by: Djetset on December 06, 2010, 02:26:36 PM
Into the Hole we go....
Title: Re: Djetset #327: Mystery Car 2
Post by: Oguerrerob on June 17, 2011, 05:19:58 PM
William Favre's GTO
Title: Re: Djetset #327: Mystery Car 2
Post by: Djetset on June 20, 2011, 07:13:40 AM
No, Favre's GTO is too big to be based on a Fiat 500 as this one is!
Title: Re: Djetset #327: Mystery Car 2
Post by: Oguerrerob on February 27, 2012, 06:41:43 PM
Alpha 1 GTO?
Title: Re: Djetset #327: Mystery Car 2
Post by: Djetset on February 28, 2012, 03:45:54 PM
Although I do not know the name of this GTO, I suspect that it is not an Alpha 1, as that is a full-size, front-engined replica kit car, whereas this is a smaller-scale Fiat 500-based  If you can prove otherwise though, I will be happy to know more.
Title: Re: Djetset #327: Mystery Car 2
Post by: Oguerrerob on February 28, 2012, 05:36:23 PM
Sorry, my mistake. Alpha 1 is based on a Datsun too, and is powered by 350 V8 front engine.
Title: Re: Djetset #327: Mystery Car 2
Post by: Djetset on February 28, 2012, 05:43:35 PM
No need to apologise; at least you revived this one to try and help get it resolved. ;)
Title: Re: Djetset #327: Mystery Car 2
Post by: D-type on February 29, 2012, 02:23:34 PM
Quote from: Djetset on June 20, 2011, 07:13:40 AM
No, Favre's GTO is too big to be based on a Fiat 500 as this one is!
Are you sure?  So many details are the same - light type and arrangement, vents, bonnet fasteners, windscreen rake, windows, 2 louvres, etc
Title: Re: Djetset #327: Mystery Car 2
Post by: Djetset on February 29, 2012, 03:57:05 PM
No, I'm not 100% sure, which is why this one is a mystery car. 

A friend who saw the car at the 'ring many years ago assures me though that is a reduced-scale GTO replica, albeit very accurate, despite its rear-mounted Fiat 500 engine.  Sadly this friend didn't think to make a note of what it was called at the time!  It might well be by Favre, but it will need some proof.
Title: Re: Djetset #327: Mystery Car 2
Post by: Oguerrerob on February 29, 2012, 05:04:22 PM
I don't know either, but they look similar, but Favre is front engined, and according to some webpages, V12 or V8 even V6. So doesn't fit to your description.
Title: Re: Djetset #327: Mystery Car 2
Post by: Carnut on March 04, 2012, 10:55:00 AM
This must be the 1:1.75 scale GTO by Carrozzeria Allegretti of Modena, powered by a 562 cc Fiat Topolino engine producing a heady 21 bhp.

Here are a few words about Allegretti's scale replicas plus another photo:

QUOTE
If building these little reminders of past motoring glories seems an odd occupation, be advised that it is something of a sideline for Stefano Allegretti and his artisans. Their bread-and-butter work comes, as it has for many years, from restoring "real" Ferraris, Maseratis, and other Italian exotica. Mario Allegretti, Stefano's father, founded the firm after working in the carrozzeria trade in the Modena-Maranello area. Mario's hands helped shape some of the cars his son now re-creates, and in fact he oversaw construction of the first scaled-down replicas.

In terms of numbers made, the Allegrettis are less common than the originals. Since 1985, perhaps 20 have been built, including 250F and "Birdcage" Maseratis, and Ferraris ranging from an early Tipo 500 Formula Two car to a more recent P4 racer. Customers have also commissioned replicas of the Ferrari 275 GTS "NART Spyder" and 250 GTO. There is, however, no reason for future clients to limit themselves to these choices. Stefano Allegretti will be happy to build a replica of just about anything on four wheels. If it's Italian, he's probably had at least one full-size example in his shop at one time or another.
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Title: Re: Djetset #327: Mystery Car 2
Post by: Allemano on March 06, 2012, 01:16:14 AM
Quote from: Carnut on March 04, 2012, 10:55:00 AM
This must be the 1:1.75 scale GTO by Carrozzeria Allegretti of Modena, powered by a 562 cc Fiat Topolino engine producing a heady 21 bhp.

Here are a few words about Allegretti's scale replicas plus another photo:

QUOTE
If building these little reminders of past motoring glories seems an odd occupation, be advised that it is something of a sideline for Stefano Allegretti and his artisans. Their bread-and-butter work comes, as it has for many years, from restoring "real" Ferraris, Maseratis, and other Italian exotica. Mario Allegretti, Stefano's father, founded the firm after working in the carrozzeria trade in the Modena-Maranello area. Mario's hands helped shape some of the cars his son now re-creates, and in fact he oversaw construction of the first scaled-down replicas.

In terms of numbers made, the Allegrettis are less common than the originals. Since 1985, perhaps 20 have been built, including 250F and "Birdcage" Maseratis, and Ferraris ranging from an early Tipo 500 Formula Two car to a more recent P4 racer. Customers have also commissioned replicas of the Ferrari 275 GTS "NART Spyder" and 250 GTO. There is, however, no reason for future clients to limit themselves to these choices. Stefano Allegretti will be happy to build a replica of just about anything on four wheels. If it's Italian, he's probably had at least one full-size example in his shop at one time or another.
UNQUOTE
:applause: Finally!
Title: Re: Djetset #327: Mystery Car 2
Post by: billtorrance9999 on March 15, 2012, 01:12:40 PM
Re the question on the three vents on the "hood".  Some of the early cars did not have these and all of the others had detachable panels which covered these cooling ducts up when not needed.  In certain light it appears that these cars have no vents
Title: Re: Djetset #327: Mystery Car 2
Post by: Djetset on March 15, 2012, 06:22:06 PM
Wow, I've been away from AutoPuzzles for the last 10 days, so it is great to come back and find one of my long-term puzzles finally solved.

Very well done Carnut, you deserve two points for this one, which I award you with pleasure, as this has taken over two years to solve!  :applause:
Title: Re: SOLVED: Djetset #327 - 1:1.75 scale Ferrari 250 GTO by Carrozzeria Allegretti of Modena
Post by: Carnut on March 15, 2012, 06:57:56 PM
Welcome back.
And thanks!
Title: Re: SOLVED: Djetset #327 - 1:1.75 scale Ferrari 250 GTO by Carrozzeria Allegretti of Modena
Post by: D-type on March 17, 2012, 01:38:46 PM
:thumbsup:  Hmmm!  I know where I'll go shopping if when I win the lottery. 
Title: Re: SOLVED: Djetset #327 - 1:1.75 scale Ferrari 250 GTO by Carrozzeria Allegretti of Modena
Post by: Oguerrerob on March 17, 2012, 01:47:39 PM
Congrats!! This was a very Black Hole Puzzle!!!  ;D
Title: Solved: Allemano's № 884 - Ferrari 250 GTO midget car by Allegretti
Post by: Allemano on May 20, 2013, 06:57:31 AM
Easy-peasy Rookie point?  ;D

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Title: Re: Allemano's № 884
Post by: Mazdafreak on May 20, 2013, 06:06:50 PM
Ferrari 250 GTO, right?
Title: Re: Allemano's № 884
Post by: Allemano on May 21, 2013, 09:48:27 AM
Quote from: Mazdafreak on May 20, 2013, 06:06:50 PM
Ferrari 250 GTO, right?
Yes, but...
wouldn't it be too easy?
Title: Re: Allemano's № 884
Post by: Allemano on May 26, 2013, 08:59:49 AM
..and up!
Title: Re: Allemano's № 884
Post by: nicanary on May 26, 2013, 10:12:19 AM
1964 Ferrari 250GTO replica by Allegretti.
Title: Re: Allemano's № 884
Post by: Allemano on May 26, 2013, 10:15:27 AM
Quote from: nicanary on May 26, 2013, 10:12:19 AM
1964 Ferrari 250GTO replica by Allegretti.
Yes, a 1:1,75 scale midget GTO!
Title: Re: Solved: Allemano's № 884 - Ferrari 250 GTO midget car by Allegretti
Post by: dzima1985 on May 26, 2013, 10:35:43 AM
Re-post?
http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=11245.0
Title: Re: Solved: Allemano's № 884 - Ferrari 250 GTO midget car by Allegretti
Post by: Allemano on May 26, 2013, 10:48:37 AM
Quote from: dzima1985 on May 26, 2013, 10:35:43 AM
Re-post?
http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=11245.0
oops! :(
Title: Re: SOLVED: Djetset #327 - 1:1.75 scale Ferrari 250 GTO by Carrozzeria Allegretti of Modena
Post by: Allemano on May 26, 2013, 10:49:43 AM
merged.