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Re: Back To The Egg
« Reply #125 on: November 15, 2012, 03:09:10 PM »
1956 Spatz 200 Coupe by BAG?

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Re: Back To The Egg
« Reply #126 on: November 15, 2012, 03:15:15 PM »
Egg 10 BELCAR swiss version of the first BRÜTSCH SPATZ threewheeler. That picture appears in a brochure of the builder (A.Grünhut & Co.) without mention to a special name to this model with doors.
Correct again. It is the second Belcar version with doors and a 230 cc engine. The doorless first version had a 200 cc engine.

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Re: Back To The Egg
« Reply #127 on: November 15, 2012, 03:24:24 PM »
1956 Spatz 200 Coupe by BAG?
Yes  ;D
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Re: Back To The Egg
« Reply #128 on: November 15, 2012, 03:41:33 PM »
Egg  02 : Brütsch Rollera from 1956 ?

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Re: Back To The Egg
« Reply #129 on: November 15, 2012, 03:47:58 PM »
(and Mr. Thyssen-... doesn't mention it).
Rosellen doesn't either...

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Re: Back To The Egg
« Reply #130 on: November 15, 2012, 03:50:36 PM »
Egg  02 : Brütsch Rollera from 1956 ?
Correct.
The third picture below shows a later version.

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Re: Back To The Egg
« Reply #131 on: November 15, 2012, 03:54:22 PM »
(and Mr. Thyssen-... doesn't mention it).
Rosellen doesn't either...
No wonder, as Rosellen and Thyssen-Bornemissza are one and the same person.  ;D

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Re: Back To The Egg
« Reply #132 on: November 15, 2012, 04:01:08 PM »
No wonder, as Rosellen and Thyssen-Bornemissza are one and the same person.  ;D
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Re: Back To The Egg
« Reply #133 on: November 16, 2012, 04:54:24 AM »
Egg#7 : Avolette by Cessna France ?

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Re: Back To The Egg
« Reply #134 on: November 16, 2012, 05:10:53 AM »
Egg#7 : Avolette by Cessna France ?
The French Cessna distributor was Air Tourist. So you are right that this is the 1956 Avolette version that came between the Brütsch-Avolette (Egg #3) and the revised 1957 Avolette (Egg #13). There was a beautiful hardtop available for this one:
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Re: Back To The Egg
« Reply #135 on: November 16, 2012, 06:47:48 AM »
Egg 39: The Amphibious Brütsch Mopetta (allegedly).

I don't know how much truth there is in it, but I have read that Egon Brütsch claimed that the Mopetta would be naturally buoyant, and he had ideas of marketing it as a boat, as well as a car. In all this he was ignoring the fact that the body was not not actually watertight, and that the air-cooled engine would have filled up with water if the body tub was not radically redesigned.

But undeterred by trivial details, he arranged for publicity photos to be taken of a Mopetta prototype, presumably without engine, and quite likely without wheels, made to look as if it was being piloted along a stream by a young lady.

Unfortunately the photo is not entirely convincing. Judging by the stones and twigs sticking out of the water, it can't be more than a few centimetres deep, and from the ripples radiating from the Mopetta, it is obviously not moving, but is standing still on the bottom. The 'driver' has just rocked it a few times to stir up the surface of the water.

Nice idea, though, and I wish I'd been there to see the photo shoot!  ;D

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Re: Back To The Egg
« Reply #136 on: November 16, 2012, 07:10:29 AM »
Egg 39: The Amphibious Brütsch Mopetta (allegedly).
That's a nice story and Brütsch really advertised the Mopetta as a car for road and water, as can be seen on the attached ad. Egg 39 is a Brütsch Mopetta, but what is the difference to the Mopetta from Egg 6 (or the Mopetta below)?

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Re: Back To The Egg
« Reply #137 on: November 16, 2012, 07:13:25 AM »
#30 - Felber-Victoria?

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Re: Back To The Egg
« Reply #138 on: November 16, 2012, 07:20:39 AM »
No30: A Victoria 250 cabriolet prototype with side doors
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http://magyarjarmu.hu - detailed Hungarian motoring history (Hungarian language)
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Re: Back To The Egg
« Reply #139 on: November 16, 2012, 07:24:15 AM »
#30 - Felber-Victoria?
No. I don't know of a connection between Victoria and Felber.

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Re: Back To The Egg
« Reply #140 on: November 16, 2012, 07:25:46 AM »
No30: A Victoria 250 cabriolet prototype with side doors
Yes, that's it.
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Re: Back To The Egg
« Reply #141 on: November 16, 2012, 09:22:35 AM »
#30 - Felber-Victoria?
No. I don't know of a connection between Victoria and Felber.

A picture :

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Re: Back To The Egg
« Reply #142 on: November 16, 2012, 09:24:28 AM »
Egg 39 is a Brütsch Mopetta, but what is the difference to the Mopetta from Egg 6 (or the Mopetta below)?

Well, I've learned something today. I can see the obvious differences between the two Mopettas, but didn't realise the fundamental one. This is partly down to a book I have been referring to which has a chapter on Brütsch. I can take some small comfort in that the book's author doesn't know the difference between the two Mopetta models either.

The book reproduces the same picture as Egg 6, with the caption "...Also of note is the absence of any evidence of engines on the left hand side, indicating a right-hand position for the engines on these cars".

But that's obviously wrong, as the German advert posted in Reply #136 clearly says "Direct drive to the front wheel".

So the 1956 Mopetta has the engine at the front, presumably turning with the front wheel. So Egg 39, with the different frontal design, must be a later model (1958?), with the more familiar engine mounted on the left hand side, driving the left rear wheel by a chain.

Interesting that the front-engined Mopetta was actually advertised as for road and water, but it makes it even stranger to show the later model in water. Not only would the engine have been flooded, but the whole thing would probably capsize in deep water, with the weight of the engine being on one side.

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Re: Back To The Egg
« Reply #143 on: November 16, 2012, 09:25:13 AM »
#30 - Felber-Victoria?
No. I don't know of a connection between Victoria and Felber.

A picture :
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Re: Back To The Egg
« Reply #144 on: November 16, 2012, 09:29:20 AM »
Egg 39 is a Brütsch Mopetta, but what is the difference to the Mopetta from Egg 6 (or the Mopetta below)?

Well, I've learned something today. I can see the obvious differences between the two Mopettas, but didn't realise the fundamental one. This is partly down to a book I have been referring to which has a chapter on Brütsch. I can take some small comfort in that the book's author doesn't know the difference between the two Mopetta models either.

The book reproduces the same picture as Egg 6, with the caption "...Also of note is the absence of any evidence of engines on the left hand side, indicating a right-hand position for the engines on these cars".

But that's obviously wrong, as the German advert posted in Reply #136 clearly says "Direct drive to the front wheel".

So the 1956 Mopetta has the engine at the front, presumably turning with the front wheel. So Egg 39, with the different frontal design, must be a later model (1958?), with the more familiar engine mounted on the left hand side, driving the left rear wheel by a chain.

Interesting that the front-engined Mopetta was actually advertised as for road and water, but it makes it even stranger to show the later model in water. Not only would the engine have been flooded, but the whole thing would probably capsize in deep water, with the weight of the engine being on one side.
That's what I call a perfect answer. I didn't notice the difference between the original Mopetta and the Mopetta 1958 before I created this puzzle. I just stumbled over the different grill, and then I had a closer look...

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Re: Back To The Egg
« Reply #145 on: November 16, 2012, 09:40:16 AM »
What's left?

I think Egg#20 is the Bruetsch 300 Mk1 by Bruetsch cars England although there is little to differentiate it from the 'normal' German Brütsch Spatz

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Re: Back To The Egg
« Reply #146 on: November 16, 2012, 09:57:36 AM »
What's left?

I think Egg#20 is the Bruetsch 300 Mk1 by Bruetsch cars England although there is little to differentiate it from the 'normal' German Brütsch Spatz
Sometimes it is more simple than you think. This picture was used in the British brochure of the Brütsch 300 Mk.1 as well, but it you can't differentiate it from the Brütsch Spatz, because the picture just shows a Brütsch Spatz.
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Re: Back To The Egg
« Reply #147 on: November 16, 2012, 03:01:01 PM »
Egg 12 BRÜTSCH SPATZ 200 of 1954

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Re: Back To The Egg
« Reply #148 on: November 16, 2012, 03:07:56 PM »
In reference to the FELBER-VICTORIA the picture shown was token by myself together with others with the full car. It happened in the "XIII Trobada Internacional de Microctches de Manresa" the 28/5/2011. Talking with the owner of the car he confirmed that these car was made in Germany but the distributor of Victoria in Austria at that time was Felber and the only difference is the additional Felber logo. You can see the rest of pictures in the best web about the car history that you can see in Spanish...

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Re: Back To The Egg
« Reply #149 on: November 16, 2012, 03:38:10 PM »
Egg 12 BRÜTSCH SPATZ 200 of 1954
Yes. Just to complete it, please tell the difference to Egg #20.

And thank you for the additional info on the Felber Victoria 250, very much appreciated.