Author Topic: Solved - als070 - Carrozzeria Scioneri (Read 1820 times)

Iluvatar · « **Reply #25 on:** December 03, 2012, 08:19:00 AM »

#3 and #5 maybe Fiat 1500?

als15 · « **Reply #26 on:** December 03, 2012, 08:32:06 AM »

Not that. Look at the cars: even if naked, the chassis tells more... and there are at least 2 reasons why they cannot be 1500...

Iluvatar · « **Reply #27 on:** December 03, 2012, 08:37:54 AM »

Quote from: als15 on December 03, 2012, 08:32:06 AM

Not that. Look at the cars: even if naked, the chassis tells more... and there are at least 2 reasons why they cannot be 1500...

You are right... the engine looks like Fiat 1100/103... right?

Iluvatar · « **Reply #28 on:** December 03, 2012, 08:42:51 AM »

... Scioneri?? (from Savigliano...)

Bill Murray · « **Reply #29 on:** December 03, 2012, 08:49:26 AM »

Just some more thoughts.
I am still lost on the coach builder, but regarding the two identical vehicles, can they be former Fiat 1100 Coloniale (spelling?) staff car vehicles sans bodywork??

als15 · « **Reply #30 on:** December 03, 2012, 08:50:53 AM »

Two points for Iluvatar!
The coachbuilder is indeed Scioneri (which was a former employee of Fissore and who took over the military production of Viberti when his plant was destroyed by the British bombing).
And cars 3-5 are Fiat 1100/103.

For Bill: he was also reworking ex-army vehicles. Not only them, however.
And the cars are 1100/103 with unibody (see the wheelarches) and not former versions with separate chassis.

Iluvatar · « **Reply #31 on:** December 03, 2012, 08:55:36 AM »

#5 sholud be a car simlar to this one, from 1953... looking at the shape of the wood maquette for the roof... I search a 1100 with that roof and I found Scioneri...

als15 · « **Reply #32 on:** December 03, 2012, 09:03:17 AM »

Yes, I think it's that one.
What I'm not sure, is if it is actually a wooden body frame (but the pillars look too thick) or a very simple mock-up for the metal-sheets forming.

Iluvatar · « **Reply #33 on:** December 03, 2012, 09:05:45 AM »

Quote from: als15 on December 03, 2012, 09:03:17 AM

Yes, I think it's that one.
What I'm not sure, is if it is actually a wooden body frame (but the pillars look too thick) or a very simple mock-up for the metal-sheets forming.

I think a mock-up, the windows of the finished cars are bigger (and the pillars thicker as you said)...

Iluvatar · « **Reply #34 on:** December 03, 2012, 09:13:02 AM »

#8 Fiat 615?

als15 · « **Reply #35 on:** December 03, 2012, 09:16:19 AM »

Definitely not.

Iluvatar · « **Reply #36 on:** December 03, 2012, 09:17:48 AM »

#7 maybe a Lancia Aprilia?

als15 · « **Reply #37 on:** December 03, 2012, 09:19:19 AM »

It could be, but I'm not sure. Have you a picture of an Aprilia chassis to show us?

als15 · « **Reply #38 on:** December 03, 2012, 09:22:45 AM »

Double-checked: no, it doesn't look like an Aprilia. Different scuttle, different tail...

als15 · « **Reply #39 on:** December 08, 2012, 04:52:57 PM »

Ok, this one needs a professional expertise...

Wendax · « **Reply #40 on:** December 08, 2012, 04:56:15 PM »

Truck #8 is a Hanomag L 28 in the early version with rear hinged doors

als15 · « **Reply #41 on:** December 08, 2012, 04:58:21 PM »

Of course!
Now only 3 are left.

Wendax · « **Reply #42 on:** December 08, 2012, 05:02:12 PM »

At first sight, #7 looks like a Peugeot 203 to me.

als15 · « **Reply #43 on:** December 08, 2012, 05:05:33 PM »

Could be: can you post a reference picture to be compared?

Wendax · « **Reply #44 on:** December 08, 2012, 05:14:38 PM »

I found a picture of a 203 with detached front fenders, and it looks different underneath

als15 · « **Reply #45 on:** December 08, 2012, 05:20:31 PM »

Here are the close-up at high-res of the 3 still missing. Perhaps they can help...

Wendax · « **Reply #46 on:** December 08, 2012, 05:32:39 PM »

In the high resolution picture you can recognize the Peugeot lion of #7 (see below).
What fooled me was that in the Scioneri picture parts of the right front are missing, not just detached fenders.

als15 · « **Reply #47 on:** December 08, 2012, 05:36:56 PM »

Indeed! Another one gone!

thorax · « **Reply #48 on:** December 08, 2012, 06:06:26 PM »

#2 : OM?

als15 · « **Reply #49 on:** December 08, 2012, 06:48:48 PM »

To be proven...
I don't know, but the radiator frame is quite particular. A picture will probably demonstrate if you are right...

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