Author Topic: Solved - als070 - Carrozzeria Scioneri (Read 1819 times)

als15 · « **on:** November 27, 2012, 05:48:50 PM »

One photo for 8 points.
1 point for each car (#3 and #5 from left are the same) and 1 for telling which coachbuilder this workshop belongs to.

als15 · « **Reply #1 on:** November 27, 2012, 05:50:34 PM »

Coachbuilder: Scioneri - Iluvatar

#1 - ~~1939~~ 1940 Dodge pick-up -sixtee5cuda
#2 - Mathis PY - ropat53
#3 - #5 - Fiat 1100/103 - Iluvatar
#4 - Fiat 1100 E - targhediferro
#6 - Fiat 1100 - thorax
#7 - Peugeot 203 - Wendax
#8 - Hanomag L28 - Wendax

Iluvatar: 2 points
Wendax: 2 points
sixte5cuda: 1 point
thorax: 1 point
targhediferro: 1 point
ropat53: 1 point

als15 · « **Reply #2 on:** December 01, 2012, 02:23:10 PM »

At least 2 or 3 are quite obvious... Sorry for the Rookies, but now is also time for Experts.

sixtee5cuda · « **Reply #3 on:** December 01, 2012, 02:53:15 PM »

Is #1 a 1939-1942 Dodge truck?

als15 · « **Reply #4 on:** December 01, 2012, 02:58:53 PM »

Ok, let's say that about 1, 2, 7 and 8 I don't know (or am not sure)... Can you prove your guess?

sixtee5cuda · « **Reply #5 on:** December 01, 2012, 03:15:59 PM »

I can't prove it yet. I found lots of 1939-1942 Dodge truck images, but none have that hood ornament, or that small number of grills in the front of the hood (bonnet)

als15 · « **Reply #6 on:** December 01, 2012, 03:22:17 PM »

Ok, let's say that this coachbuilder was involved in recovering ex-army vehicles (also American) and turn them into civil vehicles in the early post-war years. So, if the body looks like a 1939 Dodge, we can assume it's one of his jobs on this truck (and the ornanment is something added by him).
Have you, for the records, a picture of the original Dodge truck?

sixtee5cuda · « **Reply #7 on:** December 01, 2012, 03:32:26 PM »

Here is a 1939 Dodge Pickup.

als15 · « **Reply #8 on:** December 01, 2012, 03:35:44 PM »

I've seen also other pictures without the front trim and the louvres behind are the same. Only, on the bonnet there are more than the 3 in the photo... However, I think that #1 in the photo is indeed this Dodge.

thorax · « **Reply #9 on:** December 01, 2012, 03:54:43 PM »

# 6 : Fiat 1100 BLR

Bill Murray · « **Reply #10 on:** December 01, 2012, 04:04:06 PM »

Hi All:

The Dodge is a 1940 model, pic attached.
The "modern" truck at the end is most likely a Borgward.
Looking for the others.

thorax · « **Reply #11 on:** December 01, 2012, 04:25:46 PM »

# 2 : Fiat 618?

sixtee5cuda · « **Reply #12 on:** December 01, 2012, 04:30:08 PM »

Bill, the Modern Truck has suicide (rear-hinged) doors. I don't think it is a Borgward.

Bill Murray · « **Reply #13 on:** December 01, 2012, 04:42:17 PM »

Cuda:

Yeah, Borgward was a bit of a guess but I think I will find it.

Re: the Dodge, we need to be careful here, or at least I do.
That it is a 1940 year model I am comfortable with. However, the hood ornament is wrong for a Dodge. I think the "mask" chrome piece in the middle is just missing.
As you probably know, Chrysler marketed the basic Dodge truck as respectively, Fargo, DeSoto and Plymouth on various export markets.
I cannot prove it yet, but I think this one may be a Fargo.

FWIW, I agree with Thor on #6.

If he is correct, and I see he just ID'd #2 as another Fiat, this should give us some direction on the coachbuilder's location.

Bit of a puzzling puzzle, but fun to research.

als15 · « **Reply #14 on:** December 01, 2012, 05:04:39 PM »

Quote from: thorax on December 01, 2012, 03:54:43 PM

# 6 : Fiat 1100 BLR

Yes: a BLR, ELR (or even an old ALR). Impossible to say from the front, but for sure a Fiat 1100.

Quote from: thorax on December 01, 2012, 04:25:46 PM

# 2 : Fiat 618?

I don't know, but I don't think so: in the high-res version of the photo the radiator frame doesn't look Fiat.

Quote from: Bill Murray on December 01, 2012, 04:04:06 PM

The "modern" truck at the end is most likely a Borgward.

Again: not sure. We need a picture here too.

Generally, a clue: some vehicles can actually be ex-army. In particular, I can't imagine American vehicles here unless they have been abandoned by the Army after the war

Bill Murray · « **Reply #15 on:** December 02, 2012, 10:41:11 AM »

I was following another mystery and came up with an idea.
Can the coachbuilder be Fissore??

Iluvatar · « **Reply #16 on:** December 02, 2012, 11:45:00 AM »

Viberti??

als15 · « **Reply #17 on:** December 02, 2012, 12:00:54 PM »

Quote from: Bill Murray on December 02, 2012, 10:41:11 AM

I was following another mystery and came up with an idea.
Can the coachbuilder be Fissore??

Quote from: Iluvatar on December 02, 2012, 11:45:00 AM

Viberti??

Good guess! Smaller and related to both. I'd say, closer to the first...

Iluvatar · « **Reply #18 on:** December 02, 2012, 05:58:15 PM »

...Coriasco??

Iluvatar · « **Reply #19 on:** December 02, 2012, 06:06:45 PM »

The last one... maybe OM?

als15 · « **Reply #20 on:** December 02, 2012, 06:21:41 PM »

Neither Coriasco nor OM.
Read carefully my last answer: the clues are very big...

Bill Murray · « **Reply #21 on:** December 02, 2012, 06:25:32 PM »

Esperia??

Please, I am not just throwing out names, I really am doing research and trying to find Italian coach builders that survived on converting prewar and wartime vehicles just after the end of the war.

als15 · « **Reply #22 on:** December 03, 2012, 02:58:59 AM »

Not Esperia.

Think about what I wrote:
"Related both to Fissore and Viberti and closer to the first".

You should look for a coachbuilder that has connections with these two.

RayTheRat · « **Reply #23 on:** December 03, 2012, 05:50:34 AM »

Was the coachbuilder located in Turin?

als15 · « **Reply #24 on:** December 03, 2012, 06:30:52 AM »

Not in Turin.

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