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Solved - NEH 2876: Ford Cardinal - proposal for P4 Taunus 12M - 1962
« on: August 08, 2013, 07:31:21 AM »
What's this and from when does it date, for 1 point?:

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Re: NEH 2876
« Reply #1 on: August 13, 2013, 11:06:03 AM »
Anything to do with Ford?
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Re: NEH 2876
« Reply #2 on: August 13, 2013, 11:11:43 AM »
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Re: NEH 2876
« Reply #3 on: August 13, 2013, 02:53:24 PM »
Prototype of the Taunus / M-series from German Ford ?
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Re: NEH 2876
« Reply #4 on: August 13, 2013, 03:51:39 PM »
Quote from: Lofotleif on August 13, 2013, 02:53:24 PM
Prototype of the Taunus / M-series from German Ford ?

Yes, but it has a name.
I'll lock it for you to see if you can find it.
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Re: NEH 2876
« Reply #5 on: August 14, 2013, 08:31:59 AM »
Is it the "Badewannetaunus" (Bath tub Taunus)  you're looking for ?
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Re: NEH 2876
« Reply #6 on: August 14, 2013, 08:57:21 AM »
Quote from: Lofotleif on August 14, 2013, 08:31:59 AM
Is it the "Badewannetaunus" (Bath tub Taunus)  you're looking for ?

No..
I don't think that was ever the Taunus's official name!
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Re: NEH 2876
« Reply #7 on: August 14, 2013, 09:21:30 AM »
 :D No, more a  less flattering nickname... What about the Project P5
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Re: NEH 2876
« Reply #8 on: August 14, 2013, 09:49:31 AM »
Quote from: Lofotleif on August 14, 2013, 09:21:30 AM
:D No, more a  less flattering nickname... What about the Project P5

No, it is a Proper Name rather than just an descriptive word..
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Re: NEH 2876
« Reply #9 on: August 14, 2013, 12:39:55 PM »
Is it a name that was later used by Ford models or is it unique to this prototype ?
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Re: NEH 2876
« Reply #10 on: August 14, 2013, 02:21:01 PM »
Quote from: Lofotleif on August 14, 2013, 12:39:55 PM
Is it a name that was later used by Ford models or is it unique to this prototype ?

It has never been used on a production model but I believe it was used on at least one other prototype.
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Re: NEH 2876
« Reply #11 on: August 14, 2013, 03:09:28 PM »
Then it has to be the model they did'nt make in the U.S but instead shipped to German Ford as the Cardinal ?
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Re: NEH 2876
« Reply #12 on: August 15, 2013, 04:08:20 AM »
Quote from: Lofotleif on August 14, 2013, 03:09:28 PM
Then it has to be the model they did'nt make in the U.S but instead shipped to German Ford as the Cardinal ?

Yes indeed, it's the Ford Cardinal which turned into the bathtub Taunus!  That front has a look of Ford Corsair to me so maybe they thought it was too good to waste..

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Re: Solved - NEH 2876: Ford Cardinal - proposal for Taunus 17M - 1964
« Reply #13 on: August 15, 2013, 07:00:01 AM »
Some things are getting mixed up here.
The bathtub Taunus (or Badewanne in German) was the Taunus 17M P3 which appeared in 1960.
The Cardinal was the attempt to build a small FWD Ford in the US,
which was rejected for the American market and shipped to Europe as a replacement for the German Taunus 12 M G13.
It appeared in 1962 as the Taunus 12 M P4.
How the puzzle illustration fits in there, and if it really is from 1964 when the Corsair appeared, is not clear to me right now. I'll have a look at my books tonight.

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Re: Solved - NEH 2876: Ford Cardinal - proposal for P4 Taunus 12M - 1962
« Reply #14 on: August 15, 2013, 07:26:52 AM »
Sorry that 1964 date is a mistake and I'm not quite sure where it came from.
It shold have read 1962, and my source said it was a proposed replacement for the P4 Taunus 12M, the actual replacement actually appearing in 1966.  1964 seemed reasonable, but I suppose a 2-year gestation was rather short for those days so it should have flagged up..
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Re: Solved - NEH 2876: Ford Cardinal - proposal for P4 Taunus 12M - 1962
« Reply #15 on: August 15, 2013, 12:33:53 PM »
I even doubt that 1962 is correct as it looks to me like an artistic variation of the 1959 Ford NPX C5 prototype (http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=16543) which was the German development for the G13 successor. It was rejected by the American Ford headquarter in favour of the US developed Cardinal which became the 12 M P4.
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Re: Solved - NEH 2876: Ford Cardinal - proposal for P4 Taunus 12M - 1962
« Reply #16 on: August 15, 2013, 02:03:06 PM »
This is the cover of September 1961 Mechanix Illustrated
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Re: Solved - NEH 2876: Ford Cardinal - proposal for P4 Taunus 12M - 1962
« Reply #17 on: August 15, 2013, 02:14:18 PM »
Okay, so it is an artist's concept for the American Cardinal which astonishingly was based on the European NPX prototype instead of the American concept. C'est la vie!  ;D
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Re: Solved - NEH 2876: Ford Cardinal - proposal for P4 Taunus 12M - 1962
« Reply #18 on: August 15, 2013, 03:01:54 PM »
Quote from: Wendax on August 15, 2013, 02:14:18 PM
Okay, so it is an artist's concept for the American Cardinal which astonishingly was based on the European NPX prototype instead of the American concept. C'est la vie!  ;D

So I need to change the heading?  It's nothing to do with Ford of Germany's plans for the 12M?!
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Re: Solved - NEH 2876: Ford Cardinal - proposal for P4 Taunus 12M - 1962
« Reply #19 on: August 15, 2013, 03:09:57 PM »
I think the artist knew a picture of the German NPX car and combined it with the rumours about the planned American Cardinal car.
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