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SAC#491: Porsche special 1953
« on: June 08, 2013, 03:01:47 PM »
What's this, from when - for 1 point  :)
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Re: SAC#491
« Reply #1 on: June 15, 2013, 04:19:49 AM »
Experts ?

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Re: SAC#491
« Reply #2 on: June 15, 2013, 11:45:30 AM »
French? Panhard ?

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Re: SAC#491
« Reply #3 on: June 15, 2013, 12:19:07 PM »
Not French !

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Re: SAC#491
« Reply #4 on: June 16, 2013, 12:04:47 PM »
VW base car ?
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Re: SAC#491
« Reply #5 on: June 16, 2013, 12:34:18 PM »
Not VW base !

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Re: SAC#491
« Reply #6 on: June 17, 2013, 01:56:41 PM »
from Germany?

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Re: SAC#491
« Reply #7 on: June 17, 2013, 03:28:42 PM »
Yes !

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Re: SAC#491
« Reply #8 on: June 18, 2013, 07:43:59 AM »
Porsche 356 power ?
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Re: SAC#491
« Reply #9 on: June 18, 2013, 03:56:40 PM »
Without doubt !
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Re: SAC#491: Locked
« Reply #10 on: June 19, 2013, 08:18:09 AM »
Can't find it. I'll be at work later, so best thing is to unlock it.

It's obviously an "eigenbau", and I reckon that it's at the Nurburgring. Apart from that, I can't think of anything !
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Re: SAC#491: Locked
« Reply #11 on: June 19, 2013, 11:06:50 AM »
Yes , for the Nurburgring !
But it's not an "eigenbau" !
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Re: SAC#491:
« Reply #12 on: June 20, 2013, 06:44:41 AM »
You mean he made more than one? It looks like it was built by a blind man with some cans and tin snips. Was he a well-known Porsche special builder ?
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Re: SAC#491:
« Reply #13 on: June 20, 2013, 12:39:38 PM »
Yes , a well-known Porsche special builder !

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Re: SAC#491:
« Reply #14 on: June 29, 2013, 01:37:16 AM »
Pros ?

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Re: SAC#491:
« Reply #15 on: June 29, 2013, 04:56:45 PM »
Could it be as simple as Glöckler?

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Re: SAC#491:
« Reply #16 on: June 30, 2013, 02:42:49 AM »
Yes , Porsche Glöckler !
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Re: SAC#491: Locked
« Reply #17 on: June 30, 2013, 11:43:06 PM »
1953 Glöckler - Porsche.

Another picture at Nürburgring.

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Re: SAC#491: Locked
« Reply #18 on: July 01, 2013, 02:04:43 AM »
Yes , Glöckler - Porsche special , for the Nurburgring 1953 !
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Re: SAC#491: Glöckler - Porsche special 1953
« Reply #19 on: July 01, 2013, 05:25:51 AM »
I'm a bit confused by this. From the start the specials built by Glockler and Ramelow had a central driving position - the car which is third in the last photo (#42) is a Glockler Porsche. I still can't find any record of the puzzle car being made by them. Does anyone know which chassis this car was ?
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Re: SAC#491: Glöckler - Porsche special 1953
« Reply #20 on: July 01, 2013, 07:30:31 AM »
Is it a German registration?

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Re: SAC#491: Glöckler - Porsche special 1953
« Reply #21 on: July 01, 2013, 09:26:57 AM »
Remarkably, it's a Dutch registration. A pre-1952 one I believe.
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Re: SAC#491: Glöckler - Porsche special 1953
« Reply #22 on: July 01, 2013, 11:08:42 AM »
Remarkably, it's a Dutch registration. A pre-1952 one I believe.

I have found the exact puzzle photo at last on Google Images - it's simply captioned as a Glockler Special in the German Grand Prix 1954, which is complete nonsense. It didn't take part in the GP, and so far I have been unable to find details of support races at that meeting. In addition, I believe that by that date the Glockler cars were far more sophisticated - this must be an early model, especially since the registration  dates to 1952.

The letters of Porsche can clearly be read on the nose of the car. I believed when answering the puzzle that it was an "eigenbau" because the quality of the bodywork was poor, especially compared to Glockler's usual work. I'm not wholly convinced that the puzzle photo was captioned correctly on the internet - it's my belief (and I'm no doubt wrong!) that this is another special built on an early Porsche frame by a Dutch enthusiast, and nothing to do with Walter Glockler.

I reckon the answer lies with an expert. Anyone have access to the 356Registry?
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Re: SAC#491: Glöckler - Porsche special 1953
« Reply #23 on: July 01, 2013, 12:58:01 PM »
I modify the answer while waiting for the expert Porsche ! ???

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Re: SAC#491: Porsche special 1953
« Reply #24 on: July 01, 2013, 03:37:37 PM »
First thing that comes to my mind after browsing through the results on a well-known-website-with-racing-statistics is that the picture at Nuerburgring among the other cars ('Gloeckler.jpg') might have been taken during 1954 Rheinland Pfalz Preis. I'm thinking of 1954, because sixth in that sequence of cars you can see a very distinctive EMW sportscar of 1954 with most probably Arthur Rosenhammer driving, fifth would be Paul Thiel in a 1953 EMW following a Lotus Mark VIII of Colin Chapman himself, Erwin Bauer or Dan Margulies (?), third is a Gloeckler of course, first is a 1954 Borgward of Hans-Hugo Hartmann, I suppose. There, in the back, running eighth, I guess, I can see Hans Fischhaber's Lancia Eigenbau, which was also entered for that race.

In the list I have I can see four Porsche based cars with no numbers identified (as there is no car 34 among those whose numbers are known):

Otto Mathe (but I suppose he should have raced his Fetzenflieger? EDIT: or a 356 Coupe)
Helmut Niedermayr (he raced Rometsch Porsche, I believe, which was found more or less complete many many years later, which does not let me suppose it could be a Rometsch rebuilt after some accident, but who knows...)
Bernhard Cappenberg (allow me to make a supposition he's the car #42 on the picture)
Huber (Alfred (Albert?) Huber from Nuernberg who drove a 1.5 Porsche in 1954 or Austrian Friedrich Huber who was noted in a BMW that year?)
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