Author Topic: SAC#397: 1912 Hansa (Ganza ) Typ B6/20PS for the Russian market (Read 741 times)

SACO · « **on:** January 25, 2013, 02:15:05 AM »

What's this and where ?

SACO · « **Reply #1 on:** February 02, 2013, 02:04:33 AM »

Experts ?

targhediferro · « **Reply #2 on:** February 02, 2013, 03:46:39 AM »

Hands, typ D, 10-30cv 1922

SACO · « **Reply #3 on:** February 02, 2013, 04:42:17 AM »

Not Hands 1922 !

targhediferro · « **Reply #4 on:** February 02, 2013, 05:40:02 AM »

Sorry, typing mistake...1912.

SACO · « **Reply #5 on:** February 02, 2013, 06:57:40 AM »

Yes , 1912 , but not Hands !

kwgibbs · « **Reply #6 on:** February 02, 2013, 09:12:56 AM »

Is this car british?

targhediferro · « **Reply #7 on:** February 02, 2013, 11:09:25 AM »

I couldn't believe and understand...I taped Hands instead of Hansa...that's the automatic corrector.

SACO · « **Reply #8 on:** February 02, 2013, 11:17:41 AM »

Yes ,Hansa 1912 !

But which Hansa ?
Locked for you !

targhediferro · « **Reply #9 on:** February 02, 2013, 11:58:18 AM »

I guessed type D, 10-30 hp...

SACO · « **Reply #10 on:** February 02, 2013, 02:30:41 PM »

A little smaller ;
but especially, the logo of the car is not Hansa !

targhediferro · « **Reply #11 on:** February 02, 2013, 03:40:12 PM »

Is perhaps the 6-14 cv with logo HAG?

SACO · « **Reply #12 on:** February 03, 2013, 02:17:58 AM »

Not HAG !

vintman · « **Reply #13 on:** February 03, 2013, 07:10:07 AM »

Hi, My records suggert this is a Hansa that was mage for the Russian market. It looks like the 6/18 Tenerplan but the logo in cyrillic suggests it is a Ganza. The 6/18 did not have the cyclops headlamp. Regards Vintman

SACO · « **Reply #14 on:** February 03, 2013, 07:48:12 AM »

Locked until 05:17:41 pm !

targhediferro · « **Reply #15 on:** February 03, 2013, 12:40:17 PM »

I don't know cirillic, but I found this picture of the quiz car, reported as a Stanislav Kiriletz car.
I suppose the logo in the middle of the grill is simply the name Hansa as it's written in cirillic alphabeth, and probably it means this car has actually built for eastern market.
The car, if not a 6/14, may be a Typ B?

SACO · « **Reply #16 on:** February 03, 2013, 01:08:01 PM »

Yes ,1912 Hansa Telegram Typ B6/20PS for the Russian market !
But to whom to give the point ?

vintman · « **Reply #17 on:** February 03, 2013, 01:30:48 PM »

Hi, Sorry, I did not realise the Lock was stil operational. The script does indeed read Ganza. Vintman

SACO · « **Reply #18 on:** February 03, 2013, 02:28:35 PM »

1 point for every ( vintman and targhediferro )

targhediferro · « **Reply #19 on:** February 03, 2013, 03:11:18 PM »

Thank you.

Wendax · « **Reply #20 on:** February 03, 2013, 04:04:03 PM »

I think that the "Telegram" part of the name is wrong. The Hansa Telegramm was a tandem seater dual phaeton with middle steering, built by the coachbuilder Alexis Kellner from Berlin. It was exhibited at the 1911 car exhibition in Berlin.

SACO · « **Reply #21 on:** February 04, 2013, 03:58:20 AM »

dzima1985 · « **Reply #22 on:** February 04, 2013, 09:19:29 AM »

The car was presented at the Saint-Petersburg autosalon in 1913.
Bodied by Toenjes, designed by Ernst Neumann-Neander, additional headlight (Cyklopenauge) in the radiator - it is his idea.
Photo by Stanislav Kiriletz.

Wendax · « **Reply #23 on:** February 04, 2013, 09:27:16 AM »

In comparison the Hansa Telegramm from 1911:

vintman · « **Reply #24 on:** February 05, 2013, 09:47:07 AM »

Hi Thanks for the point and thanks for the additional photos. I note in Georganos that; " Sevral sports models were made, in particular the B and F (1796 and 2515) which had a pointed tail 2 seater or 4 seater bodies, oval radiators and sometimes a single cyclops eye headlamp in the middle." Regards Vintman

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