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Solved - NEH 2492: Autenrieth BMW 502 F Coupé V8 "Freiburg" - 1957/8
« on: March 20, 2013, 10:30:02 AM »
What's this, by whom, from when - all answers required for the point - no locks will be given!

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Re: NEH 2492
« Reply #1 on: March 27, 2013, 06:11:05 AM »
Experts?
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Re: NEH 2492
« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2013, 06:49:14 AM »
Bmw 502/F coupè Autenrieth, 1958
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Re: NEH 2492
« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2013, 08:37:29 AM »
Quote from: targhediferro on March 27, 2013, 06:49:14 AM
Bmw 502/F coupè Autenrieth, 1958

Nearly, but I have a different year and it has a name, which I need for the point.
Although it's very obviously a BMW I'll lock it for you since you have the builder correct!
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Re: NEH 2492
« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2013, 09:16:08 AM »
Well, I'm quite convinced this car hasn't a proper name, but I may be wrong.
My answer was anyway incomplete, because the correct definition would have be 502/F 3200 coupè.
Autenrieth produced a version of 502 coupè and cabriolet from 1955, and that car was nicknamed Darmstadt (but it's different from our car and has a body strictly derived from factory's original body);another version was offered in 1956, called Marburg and in 1957 introduced a project (similar to quiz car) nicknamed Hannover.
I think 502/F 3200 coupè was produced betweed 1958 and 1962; from 1960 the car was available also as a cabriolet.
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Re: NEH 2492
« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2013, 10:16:08 AM »
Quote from: targhediferro on March 27, 2013, 09:16:08 AM
Well, I'm quite convinced this car hasn't a proper name, but I may be wrong.

I'm afraid you are.  The car had a name!
It is a 502F as you say, and the year could indeed be right.
Autenrieth made quite a number of very similar-looking cars so it's easy to get confused.
But I need its name for the point so I'll keep it locked for you to have one more go but if you don't get it then it will be opened up again.
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Re: NEH 2492
« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2013, 10:51:59 AM »
Unlock, I have no idea.  The last guess is Bmw 502/F 3200 coupè Hannover, by Autenrieth, 1958.
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Re: NEH 2492
« Reply #7 on: March 27, 2013, 10:54:48 AM »
Quote from: targhediferro on March 27, 2013, 10:51:59 AM
Unlock, I have no idea.  The last guess is Bmw 502/F 3200 coupè Hannover, by Autenrieth, 1958.

No, it's not the Hannover.
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Re: NEH 2492
« Reply #8 on: March 27, 2013, 11:43:56 AM »
May be BMW 502F 3200 Super Coupe Autenrieth 1958 ?
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Re: NEH 2492
« Reply #9 on: March 27, 2013, 11:49:34 AM »
Quote from: mekubb on March 27, 2013, 11:43:56 AM
May be BMW 502F 3200 Super Coupe Autenrieth 1958 ?

No, that's not its full correct name.
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Re: NEH 2492
« Reply #10 on: March 27, 2013, 01:03:15 PM »
Think I found it : its nickname was Freiburg
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Re: NEH 2492
« Reply #11 on: March 27, 2013, 01:43:25 PM »
I agree with makubb; I think it's a nickname, but not part of the name of the car.
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Re: NEH 2492
« Reply #12 on: March 27, 2013, 05:18:32 PM »
To be complete : BMW 502F 3200 Freiburg Coupe Autenrieth 1958
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Re: NEH 2492
« Reply #13 on: March 28, 2013, 05:36:44 AM »
Quote from: mekubb on March 27, 2013, 01:03:15 PM
Think I found it : its nickname was Freiburg

That's what I was looking for so you've earned a point.

I'm not sure whether Freiburg was just a nickname or the name given to the car by Autenrieth.  
Several of the Autenrieth 502 coupés are known by German city/town names but I can see neither evidence that Autenrieth gave them the names nor that they were just nicknames (given by whom?).  Below is a list of most of them (the one highlighted in bold being this puzzle car).

I'll try to find out definitively.

502 F Cabriolet "Bocholt", ca. 15 cars in 1955, 3 survivors
502 Cabriolet "Koblenz", ca. 5 cars, one exists today
501 Cabriolet "Offenbach" 4 Türen, ca. 30 cars around 1954
502 N Coupé "Darmstadt", min. 4 cars in 1956, one exists today
502 Coupé "Hannover", one-off in 1957
502 Coupé "Nürnberg", one-off in 1956
502 Coupé "Marburg", one-off in 1956
502 Cabriolet "Sportwagen Hannover", 4-6 cars 1955-56, 3 survivors
502 Cabriolet "Marburg", 4 cars 1955-56
502 Limousine "Darmstadt", one-off
502 F Coupé "Freiburg", ca. 3 cars 1957-58, one exists today
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Re: Solved - NEH 2492: Autenrieth BMW 502 F Coupé V8 "Freiburg" - 1957/8
« Reply #14 on: March 28, 2013, 05:44:25 AM »
Those names were given to the cars by Autenrieth. Quite often the hometown of the first customer was chosen.
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Re: Solved - NEH 2492: Autenrieth BMW 502 F Coupé V8 "Freiburg" - 1957/8
« Reply #15 on: March 28, 2013, 06:00:12 AM »
Quote from: Wendax on March 28, 2013, 05:44:25 AM
Those names were given to the cars by Autenrieth. Quite often the hometown of the first customer was chosen.

Thanks.   So there we are - the name 'Freiburg' is official!
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Re: Solved - NEH 2492: Autenrieth BMW 502 F Coupé V8 "Freiburg" - 1957/8
« Reply #16 on: March 28, 2013, 08:17:37 AM »
And I received the following from an Autenrieth expert:

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Autenrieth named the cars after the city in which the first car was delivered. When more than one of the body was built, they were all named the same, the name of the city of the first customer. So the name was official.
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Re: Solved - NEH 2492: Autenrieth BMW 502 F Coupé V8 "Freiburg" - 1957/8
« Reply #17 on: April 03, 2013, 12:07:22 AM »
Ok, we got that the name become official after the first one was delivered! What was the name of the car before the first one was sold?
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Re: Solved - NEH 2492: Autenrieth BMW 502 F Coupé V8 "Freiburg" - 1957/8
« Reply #18 on: April 03, 2013, 02:10:54 AM »
I think Autenrieth built these cars to special order, so they knew where it was going when they started to build them.
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