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Fun #546 - REDeX Special Cooper Bristol # 1 of Jack Brabham
« on: November 04, 2013, 04:02:53 AM »
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For one point: what is the race car in the foreground?

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Re: Fun #546
« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2013, 04:32:24 AM »
Where have all the Rookies gone?
Long time passing
Where have all the Rookies gone?
Long time ago

Where have all the Rookies gone?
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Re: Fun #546
« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2013, 04:44:36 AM »
1952 Cooper Bristol?

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Re: Fun #546
« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2013, 04:59:10 AM »
Cooper-Bristol it is. Do you know this one's nickname and driver?

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Re: Fun #546
« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2013, 05:14:25 AM »
Is this one Jack Brabham's Redex Special?

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Re: Fun #546
« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2013, 05:20:01 AM »
It is! You're clearing out my puzzle inventory

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Re: Fun #546 - REDeX Special Cooper Bristol # 1 of Jack Brabham
« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2013, 05:32:17 AM »
This photo was almost certainly taken in 1953. Respected historian Doug Nye reckons this car is probably the prototype which was sold to a (then unknown) Australian when it returned from racing in Argentina. Black Jack raced the car down-under through '53 and '54 and sold it to Stan Jones when he made the journey to Europe in '55.

I wouldn't call REDeX a nickname - Jack was an early believer in sponsorship, and wanted to give his sponsor his money's-worth. The Australian racing authorities thought otherwise, and the decals were removed for the 1954 season, much to Jack's disgust. All very American, rather like the naming of cars in the Indy 500.
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Re: Fun #546 - REDeX Special Cooper Bristol # 1 of Jack Brabham
« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2013, 05:45:18 AM »
Moniker? Appellation? Nickname works fine here, IMO
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Re: Fun #546 - REDeX Special Cooper Bristol # 1 of Jack Brabham
« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2013, 06:03:28 AM »
Moniker? My name's Shirley!
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Re: Fun #546 - REDeX Special Cooper Bristol # 1 of Jack Brabham
« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2013, 11:31:11 AM »
Moniker? Appellation? Nickname works fine here, IMO
Sorry. I disagree.

There is a difference. Here are a couple of illustrative examples.

The Hughes Hercules was commomly referred to as "The Spruce Goose".  Spruce Goose is a nickname, while Hercules is a name.

The B-type Connaught B3 had a distinctive body.  It was often referred to as the "Toothpaste Tube" Connaught.  That was a nickname

The Vandervell-owned and modified Ferrari had "Thinwall Special" painted on its nose.  It was entered as the Thinwall Special and appeared as such in the race programme.  That was not a nickname it was the name of that car.

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Re: Fun #546 - REDeX Special Cooper Bristol # 1 of Jack Brabham
« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2013, 04:09:31 PM »
I agree with Duncan and wonder if this is another example of two great nations divided by a common language.
It sometimes seems to me that, whereas in UK English nicknames are given by other people, in US English people give themselves what they term nicknames.
To put it another way is "Otto Puzzell" what you'd call a nickname?

Returning to our automotive muttons, what carburettors did the Redex Special have when that bonnet top shows no sign of  being high enough to clear the Bristol engine's usual three downdraught Solex?
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Re: Fun #546 - REDeX Special Cooper Bristol # 1 of Jack Brabham
« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2013, 06:47:48 PM »
I agree with Duncan and wonder if this is another example of two great nations divided by a common language.
It sometimes seems to me that, whereas in UK English nicknames are given by other people, in US English people give themselves what they term nicknames.
To put it another way is "Otto Puzzell" what you'd call a nickname?

Returning to our automotive muttons, what carburettors did the Redex Special have when that bonnet top shows no sign of  being high enough to clear the Bristol engine's usual three downdraught Solex?

I've had a quick look at Maestro Nye's definitive Cooper history - he believes that Jack's car was a quickly refurbished MkII prototype, probably sold (knowing how Charlie Cooper did things) as a new car. Records are thin on the ground, the Cooper way.

The MkI had the high bonnet line incorporating the air scoop for the Solex carbs, but the MkII had a clever split radiator, which included ducting of air to the carbs, thus there is just the small bulge for clearance. This appears on photos of the prototype, and is identical to the appearance on the puzzle picture.

BTW I think this photo shows both Jack's car and the one in the background in the puzzle picture. The latter car is a MkI and shows the difference in the two bonnet lines, and the original MkI  air scoop. The actual height of the bonnet remains the same.
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Re: Fun #546 - REDeX Special Cooper Bristol # 1 of Jack Brabham
« Reply #12 on: November 10, 2013, 03:19:50 AM »
Ganging up on me, I see ;D
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Re: Fun #546 - REDeX Special Cooper Bristol # 1 of Jack Brabham
« Reply #13 on: November 10, 2013, 04:44:04 AM »
Ganging up on me, I see ;D

You say tomayto, and I say tomarto.  :)

Sorry to hijack your puzzle to have a chat with Allan Lupton about the pedantics of Cooper-Bristol bonnet lines. We both belong to another internet forum where such discussions are meat and drink.
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