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Solved - NEH 2719: Panhard Dyna K Break - 1952
« on: June 18, 2013, 07:35:20 AM »
Identify this vehcile correctly and from when it dates, for 1 point:

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Re: NEH 2719
« Reply #1 on: June 20, 2013, 08:40:56 AM »
Panhard Dyna - 1950?
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Re: NEH 2719
« Reply #2 on: June 20, 2013, 09:28:56 AM »
Quote from: Voisin on June 20, 2013, 08:40:56 AM
Panhard Dyna - 1950?

Close enough for the point!
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Re: Solved - NEH 2719: Panhard Dyna X Break - 1952
« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2013, 10:01:37 AM »
Any idea who built it?
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Re: Solved - NEH 2719: Panhard Dyna X Break - 1952
« Reply #4 on: June 20, 2013, 10:10:45 AM »
I too would appreciate more information on  this one.
I spent a lot of time on the car and found a wealth of photos, data etc. on taxi's, "commerciales" and breaks but not this particular vehicle.

I suspect it may be more of a "limousine" than a standard break due to the closed in rear quarters.
Or, at the least a very expensive, special break.

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Re: Solved - NEH 2719: Panhard Dyna X Break - 1952
« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2013, 11:39:54 AM »
Quote from: Bill Murray on June 20, 2013, 10:10:45 AM
I too would appreciate more information on  this one.
I spent a lot of time on the car and found a wealth of photos, data etc. on taxi's, "commerciales" and breaks but not this particular vehicle.

I suspect it may be more of a "limousine" than a standard break due to the closed in rear quarters.
Or, at the least a very expensive, special break.

Bill

I actually saved this picture some time ago as a "Panhard Dyna K Veritas Break" but couldn't find where I got that information from now, so I couldn't hold out for the "Veritas" name as it might not be right..

Maybe it's a conversion from a van?  Or maybe it's one of these?:

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Re: Solved - NEH 2719: Panhard Dyna K Break - 1952
« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2013, 12:24:41 PM »
I'm pretty sure that there is no Veritas involvement. Veritas' focus was clearly on sports cars, not on taxis, what I think this Dyna is supposed to be. Furthermore it seems to have a coachbuilder's emblem at the lower B-post. What baffles me is the absence of rear doors (at least at the right hand side). The background might be leading to Germany or Austria.
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Re: Solved - NEH 2719: Panhard Dyna K Break - 1952
« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2013, 03:27:39 PM »
I too am baffled by the lack of a rear door on the passenger side (assuming the vehicle is LHD which it should be based on how the windscreen wipers are parked).

Based on the two tone paint scheme and the fact that it does have rear seating, I wonder if it could be a sort of mini hotel bus or something of that sort.  It does seem to be coach built to a high order, not an ordinary series break.

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Re: Solved - NEH 2719: Panhard Dyna K Break - 1952
« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2013, 02:24:08 AM »
Veritas " Dyna Süd " Munich !
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Re: Solved - NEH 2719: Panhard Dyna K Break - 1952
« Reply #9 on: June 21, 2013, 02:57:03 AM »
This pictures sheds some light on this mystery break. I was able to find some information about Dyna-Süd, its connections to Veritas and this little break.

Veritas was founded in 1946 by Ernst Dietrich, Schorsch Meier and Ernst Loof. In November 1950, the three partners split and Veritas went bankrupt. Already in October 1950 Dietrich had founded the Dyna Automobil Import und Export GmbH. This company was established on the one hand to import Panhard Dyna and supply the meanwhile 50 Panhard dealers in Germany. Two distibuting companies were set up: Dyna-West in Essen and Dyna-Süd in Munich. In January 1951, 15 Panhard Dyna 120 arrived from France, and it is believed that one of those cars was converted into our puzzle car. On the other hand Dietrich tried to start the Dyna-Veritas production again which he managed to do in March 1951. In 1954, Dyna Automobil GmbH went bankrupt and the Dyna-Veritas production terminated for good.
The pictured dealer "Autozentrale Brienner-Straße" was a Gutbrod, Panhard and Veritas dealer in Munich and still exists as a Renault and Dacia dealer. [attachimg=1]
It seems it shared its address with Dyna-Süd. [attachimg=2]
To conclude this, I would say that this car is a Panhard Dyna 120 Break with bodywork by an unknown German coachbuilder, probably built for the Dyna Automobil GmbH, but it is not a Veritas or Dyna-Veritas.

A very interesting piece of German postwar car history anyway.
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Re: Solved - NEH 2719: Panhard Dyna K Break - 1952
« Reply #10 on: June 21, 2013, 04:10:58 AM »
Fascinating stuff and many thanks for the extra information.
Someone, somewhere will know who built this car, even if Wendax doesn't..
Time to don the deerstalker Gerd!
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Re: Solved - NEH 2719: Panhard Dyna K Break - 1952
« Reply #11 on: June 21, 2013, 04:18:17 AM »
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Re: Solved - NEH 2719: Panhard Dyna K Break - 1952
« Reply #12 on: June 16, 2014, 05:23:18 PM »
The Dyna Break was probably built by the Zentralwerkstätten Hans Hanauer.
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Re: Solved - NEH 2719: Panhard Dyna K Break - 1952
« Reply #13 on: June 17, 2014, 04:05:02 AM »
Quote from: Wendax on June 16, 2014, 05:23:18 PM
The Dyna Break was probably built by the Zentralwerkstätten Hans Hanauer.

Same builder as the Dyna Veritas in  your Puzzle #1259!
So there is a sort of connection to Veritas..
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Re: Solved - NEH 2719: Panhard Dyna K Break - 1952
« Reply #14 on: June 17, 2014, 08:56:31 AM »
A Pininfarina body doesn't turn an Austin into a Ferrari.  ;)
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Re: Solved - NEH 2719: Panhard Dyna K Break - 1952
« Reply #15 on: June 17, 2014, 09:03:12 AM »
Quote from: Wendax on June 17, 2014, 08:56:31 AM
A Pininfarina body doesn't turn an Austin into a Ferrari.  ;)

Definitely not, but it can make a very ordinary car look quite good!
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