Author Topic: Ancient Engine #348 - 1912 Turner 10 HP Light Car Engine  (Read 1283 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Otto Puzzell

  • Founder and
  • Editor
  • *
  • Posts: 31557
  • Country: us
  • Puzzle Points 444
  • Open field, with a window.
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
    • AutoPuzzles
Ancient Engine #348 - 1912 Turner 10 HP Light Car Engine
« on: October 24, 2012, 03:57:10 AM »
For one point: Identify this prewar engine.

Only a complete and specific answer will earn a point!  

If you haven't registered yet, you need to do so in order to reply.  You can do so by clicking here

If you have not done so, please familiarize yourself with the AutoPuzzles Rules before attempting to solve this puzzle.
« Last Edit: January 13, 2013, 03:28:20 AM by Otto Puzzell »
You wanna be the man, you gotta Name That Car!

Offline Otto Puzzell

  • Founder and
  • Editor
  • *
  • Posts: 31557
  • Country: us
  • Puzzle Points 444
  • Open field, with a window.
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
    • AutoPuzzles
Re: Ancient Engine #348
« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2012, 12:20:26 PM »
Up
You wanna be the man, you gotta Name That Car!

Offline Craig Gillingham

  • Expert
  • *
  • Posts: 1564
  • Country: au
  • Puzzle Points 236
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: Ancient Engine #348
« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2012, 01:02:26 PM »
Is it French?

Offline Otto Puzzell

  • Founder and
  • Editor
  • *
  • Posts: 31557
  • Country: us
  • Puzzle Points 444
  • Open field, with a window.
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
    • AutoPuzzles
Re: Ancient Engine #348
« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2012, 01:17:31 PM »
You wanna be the man, you gotta Name That Car!

Offline Craig Gillingham

  • Expert
  • *
  • Posts: 1564
  • Country: au
  • Puzzle Points 236
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: Ancient Engine #348
« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2012, 05:19:44 AM »
Belgian?

Offline Otto Puzzell

  • Founder and
  • Editor
  • *
  • Posts: 31557
  • Country: us
  • Puzzle Points 444
  • Open field, with a window.
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
    • AutoPuzzles
Re: Ancient Engine #348
« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2012, 05:27:04 AM »
You wanna be the man, you gotta Name That Car!

Offline Craig Gillingham

  • Expert
  • *
  • Posts: 1564
  • Country: au
  • Puzzle Points 236
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: Ancient Engine #348
« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2012, 05:33:25 AM »
I thought I was onto something.

Is it European?

Offline Otto Puzzell

  • Founder and
  • Editor
  • *
  • Posts: 31557
  • Country: us
  • Puzzle Points 444
  • Open field, with a window.
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
    • AutoPuzzles
Re: Ancient Engine #348
« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2012, 09:25:17 AM »
Yes
You wanna be the man, you gotta Name That Car!

Offline Craig Gillingham

  • Expert
  • *
  • Posts: 1564
  • Country: au
  • Puzzle Points 236
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: Ancient Engine #348
« Reply #8 on: November 01, 2012, 11:06:44 PM »
How about Italian?

Offline Otto Puzzell

  • Founder and
  • Editor
  • *
  • Posts: 31557
  • Country: us
  • Puzzle Points 444
  • Open field, with a window.
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
    • AutoPuzzles
Re: Ancient Engine #348
« Reply #9 on: November 02, 2012, 03:31:25 AM »
You wanna be the man, you gotta Name That Car!

Offline Otto Puzzell

  • Founder and
  • Editor
  • *
  • Posts: 31557
  • Country: us
  • Puzzle Points 444
  • Open field, with a window.
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
    • AutoPuzzles
Re: Ancient Engine #348
« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2012, 03:39:58 AM »
Chuffing to the Pros
You wanna be the man, you gotta Name That Car!

Offline Allan L

  • Feature Writer
  • *
  • Posts: 4822
  • Country: gb
  • Puzzle Points 414
  • Forum Host in Vintage!
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: Ancient Engine #348
« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2012, 04:07:31 AM »
I can't immediately recognise it, so I assume it isn't British.
Opinionated but sometimes wrong

Offline Otto Puzzell

  • Founder and
  • Editor
  • *
  • Posts: 31557
  • Country: us
  • Puzzle Points 444
  • Open field, with a window.
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
    • AutoPuzzles
Re: Ancient Engine #348
« Reply #12 on: November 09, 2012, 04:13:47 AM »
Assumptions can steer you astray
You wanna be the man, you gotta Name That Car!

Offline Otto Puzzell

  • Founder and
  • Editor
  • *
  • Posts: 31557
  • Country: us
  • Puzzle Points 444
  • Open field, with a window.
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
    • AutoPuzzles
Re: Ancient Engine #348
« Reply #13 on: November 26, 2012, 04:30:17 PM »
In other words, it's from the UK
You wanna be the man, you gotta Name That Car!

Offline Allan L

  • Feature Writer
  • *
  • Posts: 4822
  • Country: gb
  • Puzzle Points 414
  • Forum Host in Vintage!
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: Ancient Engine #348
« Reply #14 on: November 26, 2012, 07:10:16 PM »
In other words, it's from the UK
Thanks, I had understood that 8)
Still doesn't make me recognise an engine that must have been carried in a tubular sub-frame (or chassis) and looks as if it has chain-drives for camshaft and mag.
Opinionated but sometimes wrong

Offline Otto Puzzell

  • Founder and
  • Editor
  • *
  • Posts: 31557
  • Country: us
  • Puzzle Points 444
  • Open field, with a window.
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
    • AutoPuzzles
Re: Ancient Engine #348
« Reply #15 on: November 27, 2012, 03:56:49 AM »
I can't find a clear photo of the engine installed in the car. You are correct about the chain-drive.
You wanna be the man, you gotta Name That Car!

Offline ImpishGrin

  • Feature Writer
  • *
  • Posts: 1394
  • Country: pl
  • Puzzle Points 303
  • Afficionado Anorak
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: Ancient Engine #348
« Reply #16 on: December 12, 2012, 07:05:20 AM »
Is it prewar as in pre-WWII or pre-WWI? :)
It's not denial, I'm just very selective about the reality I accept.

Offline Otto Puzzell

  • Founder and
  • Editor
  • *
  • Posts: 31557
  • Country: us
  • Puzzle Points 444
  • Open field, with a window.
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
    • AutoPuzzles
Re: Ancient Engine #348
« Reply #17 on: December 12, 2012, 08:07:41 AM »
Indeed it is
You wanna be the man, you gotta Name That Car!

Offline ImpishGrin

  • Feature Writer
  • *
  • Posts: 1394
  • Country: pl
  • Puzzle Points 303
  • Afficionado Anorak
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: Ancient Engine #348
« Reply #18 on: December 12, 2012, 09:09:29 AM »
So - it's British, pre-1914, with chain-driven cam and I think an inline 4. is that correct?
It's not denial, I'm just very selective about the reality I accept.

Offline Otto Puzzell

  • Founder and
  • Editor
  • *
  • Posts: 31557
  • Country: us
  • Puzzle Points 444
  • Open field, with a window.
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
    • AutoPuzzles
Re: Ancient Engine #348
« Reply #19 on: December 12, 2012, 09:28:30 AM »
Right
You wanna be the man, you gotta Name That Car!

Offline Otto Puzzell

  • Founder and
  • Editor
  • *
  • Posts: 31557
  • Country: us
  • Puzzle Points 444
  • Open field, with a window.
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
    • AutoPuzzles
Re: Ancient Engine #348
« Reply #20 on: December 29, 2012, 04:28:09 AM »
The company that produced this was already decades-old when the owner - a wise man whose name belies his smarts - saw the automobile business as a growth industry.
You wanna be the man, you gotta Name That Car!

Offline Otto Puzzell

  • Founder and
  • Editor
  • *
  • Posts: 31557
  • Country: us
  • Puzzle Points 444
  • Open field, with a window.
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
    • AutoPuzzles
Re: Ancient Engine #348
« Reply #21 on: January 11, 2013, 04:06:26 AM »
BH
You wanna be the man, you gotta Name That Car!

Offline Tom_I

  • Professional
  • *
  • Posts: 1381
  • Country: gb
  • Puzzle Points 475
  • Toying around
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: Ancient Engine #348
« Reply #22 on: January 12, 2013, 12:10:27 PM »
The company that produced this was already decades-old when the owner - a wise man whose name belies his smarts - saw the automobile business as a growth industry.

I have been reading some old book articles about steam-powered cars, and one happened to mention that the Managing Director of the Turner Manufacturing Company, which made Turner-Miesse steamers in the UK, was a gentleman by the name of J. Burns Dumbell, who sounds like the guy we're looking for. ;D

Turner produced petrol-engined cars in the years leading up to WW1, and the puzzle motor is their 10hp four cylinder unit introduced in 1912 according to most sources, though one I have seen puts it as early as 1909.

Offline Otto Puzzell

  • Founder and
  • Editor
  • *
  • Posts: 31557
  • Country: us
  • Puzzle Points 444
  • Open field, with a window.
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
    • AutoPuzzles
Re: Ancient Engine #348
« Reply #23 on: January 13, 2013, 03:26:46 AM »
Another impressive use of the clues provided.

Two points for you.
You wanna be the man, you gotta Name That Car!

Offline Tom_I

  • Professional
  • *
  • Posts: 1381
  • Country: gb
  • Puzzle Points 475
  • Toying around
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: Ancient Engine #348 - 1912 Turner 10 HP Light Car Engine
« Reply #24 on: January 13, 2013, 05:17:18 AM »
Thank you. I hadn't heard of Mr Dumbell before. He's not mentioned in any of the books I have, but he cropped up in an article in the old publication Light Steam Power. Despite the slightly unfortunate name, he's described as a very astute business man.