Author Topic: The car industry is scaling down (Read 4656 times)

DeAutogids · « **Reply #50 on:** August 24, 2010, 06:57:41 AM »

Quote from: Carnut on August 24, 2010, 06:32:48 AM

OK, I'll have to bow to your superior knowledge on this occasion as although a collector myself too I am not sufficiently knowledgeable about these models to really know the truth. And I know there is LOTS of misinformation on the Web; it's just that so many of them seem to have come up with the (wrong) story, which can be extremely misleading for amateurs like myself when trying to answer questions such as yours.

You know probably that once something get's on the internet on something obscure that that source is quoted over and over again as being the right story. Let's go back to puzzling.

Joao Gois · « **Reply #51 on:** October 16, 2010, 10:56:00 AM »

13 - Rover SD1 by Matchbox

DeAutogids · « **Reply #52 on:** November 02, 2010, 05:50:39 AM »

Quote from: Joao Gois on October 16, 2010, 10:56:00 AM

13 - Rover SD1 by Matchbox

Rover SD1 is correct. But it's not Matchbox.

Maxmotor · « **Reply #53 on:** November 02, 2010, 05:20:40 PM »

#13 - Rover SD1 by Giodi ?

and are you sure #11 isn't a BMW 316 by Hot Wheels ??

DeAutogids · « **Reply #54 on:** November 02, 2010, 05:51:35 PM »

Quote from: Maxmotor on November 02, 2010, 05:20:40 PM

#13 - Rover SD1 by Giodi ?

and are you sure #11 isn't a BMW 316 by Hot Wheels ??

#11 is completely different to Hot Wheels and the depicted car is a completely different car. It's my own miniature.

#13 is correct.

Maxmotor · « **Reply #55 on:** November 03, 2010, 05:00:05 PM »

Quote from: DeAutogids on November 02, 2010, 05:51:35 PM

Quote from: Maxmotor on November 02, 2010, 05:20:40 PM
#13 - Rover SD1 by Giodi ?

and are you sure #11 isn't a BMW 316 by Hot Wheels ??
#11 is completely different to Hot Wheels and the depicted car is a completely different car. It's my own miniature.

#13 is correct.

Wait a minute. I'm not sure what model #11 actually is, but these wheels are definitely a Hot Wheels design, and how can it be a Peugeot 405 coupé when there was never a 405 coupé (save for a styling 1:1 model and the Pikes Peak / Paris Dakar competition cars which look nothing like this)?

barrett · « **Reply #56 on:** November 03, 2010, 06:35:59 PM »

Ahem....
Toy companies often make models of cars that aren't actually built, or cars so obscure no one would ever see one. Matchbox made toy versions of the Siva Spyder, Pininfarina Austin 1800 and Austin Zanda! It makes sense that European companies would do the same thing with European one-offs and obscurities.

(edit: I've just seen it's listed as a 405 coupe, when of course it should be a 505 as below. This is a mistake on the actual model)

DeAutogids · « **Reply #57 on:** November 04, 2010, 09:12:31 AM »

Quote from: Maxmotor on November 03, 2010, 05:00:05 PM

Quote from: DeAutogids on November 02, 2010, 05:51:35 PM
Quote from: Maxmotor on November 02, 2010, 05:20:40 PM
#13 - Rover SD1 by Giodi ?

and are you sure #11 isn't a BMW 316 by Hot Wheels ??
#11 is completely different to Hot Wheels and the depicted car is a completely different car. It's my own miniature.

#13 is correct.

Wait a minute. I'm not sure what model #11 actually is, but these wheels are definitely a Hot Wheels design, and how can it be a Peugeot 405 coupé when there was never a 405 coupé (save for a styling 1:1 model and the Pikes Peak / Paris Dakar competition cars which look nothing like this)?

Sure is a Hot Wheels design, but that does not mean other companies did not use them. For example, though this is a bit of a bad one, Corgi used Hot Wheels-style wheels.

DeAutogids · « **Reply #58 on:** November 04, 2010, 09:14:44 AM »

Quote from: barrett on November 03, 2010, 06:35:59 PM

Ahem....
Toy companies often make models of cars that aren't actually built, or cars so obscure no one would ever see one. Matchbox made toy versions of the Siva Spyder, Pininfarina Austin 1800 and Austin Zanda! It makes sense that European companies would do the same thing with European one-offs and obscurities.

(edit: I've just seen it's listed as a 405 coupe, when of course it should be a 505 as below. This is a mistake on the actual model)

Me bad: I had it listed as a 5050 too, but Barrett still did manage to get it right second time 'round.

Maxmotor · « **Reply #59 on:** November 04, 2010, 10:20:37 AM »

Oh I'm not at all questioning what Guisval labelled this car to be, which means it was correctly identified by Barrett.

I just think it's weird they should call it a 405, or even a 505 coupé as the real car's existence wasn't exactly public domain until recently (unless I am very much mistaken).

Which makes me wonder: how old is your model?
and what did they base the mould on? Guisval seems to be re-using old moulds of other manufacturers and maybe modify them, in this case I'd be curious to know what they started from.

But anyway, no fret over any of this, great puzzle I wish I'd come across sooner.

MM

DeAutogids · « **Reply #60 on:** November 04, 2010, 10:34:43 AM »

Ah, there you are wrong. Guisval did many of their own cars, amongst which Seat Ibiza. The only other company to have done that in the "toy car" scale is Mira, another Spanish company.

Guisval did start out making copies though.

This is a recent Guisval.

As for public domain: Many of these diecast companies did do cars in the past without proper licensing. In fact, that seems to be something of recent times.

DeAutogids · « **Reply #61 on:** November 04, 2010, 03:30:23 PM »

I think it might be a good idea to move it one stage up. Still a lot to play for. Well points and eternal Autopuzzle fame and such

Maxmotor · « **Reply #62 on:** November 04, 2010, 08:51:34 PM »

Quote from: DeAutogids on November 04, 2010, 10:34:43 AM

As for public domain: Many of these diecast companies did do cars in the past without proper licensing. In fact, that seems to be something of recent times.

No, by public domain I just mean that I don't remember if the 505 coupé prototype was ever shown in public before it was put on display at the Aventure Peugeot museum, maybe two years ago. But it looks like the model by Guisval is older than that.

pnegyesi · « **Reply #63 on:** November 05, 2010, 01:13:00 AM »

No10 is a Laforza Magnum. I have to admit that I don't know a thing about scale models, but a little bit of research told me that a company, called DeAgostini produced a model of this off-roader.

DeAutogids · « **Reply #64 on:** November 05, 2010, 05:10:55 AM »

Quote from: Maxmotor on November 04, 2010, 08:51:34 PM

Quote from: DeAutogids on November 04, 2010, 10:34:43 AM
As for public domain: Many of these diecast companies did do cars in the past without proper licensing. In fact, that seems to be something of recent times.

No, by public domain I just mean that I don't remember if the 505 coupé prototype was ever shown in public before it was put on display at the Aventure Peugeot museum, maybe two years ago. But it looks like the model by Guisval is older than that.

It should come from the end of the eighties.

DeAutogids · « **Reply #65 on:** November 05, 2010, 05:11:37 AM »

Quote from: pnegyesi on November 05, 2010, 01:13:00 AM

No10 is a Laforza Magnum. I have to admit that I don't know a thing about scale models, but a little bit of research told me that a company, called DeAgostini produced a model of this off-roader.

That might well be, but this is not a particularly good representation of what it actually should be. In any case: No Laforza and no DeAgostini.