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Solved: Wendax 590 - AFM 50 Monoposto
« on: May 26, 2012, 01:45:10 AM »
Not exactly a repost.

For one point, please respond and identify this car, the driver and which other puzzle car it is connected with.
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Re: Wendax 590
« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2012, 01:42:38 AM »
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Re: Wendax 590
« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2012, 05:03:27 PM »
AFM driven by Hans Stuck
related to the Veritas
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Re: Wendax 590
« Reply #3 on: June 03, 2012, 02:24:07 AM »
It is an AFM, I still need the type.
The driver is Hans Stuck, correct.
The relation to another puzzle car is much more specific.
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Re: Wendax 590
« Reply #4 on: June 03, 2012, 04:08:36 PM »
The Formula 2 AFM powered by a  Küchen-designed  V8 engine

It was derived from the BMW-powered AFM which was developed from the BMW 328 (as was the Veritas)
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Re: Wendax 590
« Reply #5 on: June 03, 2012, 04:28:01 PM »
You certainly have correctly identified this car. The relation to another (specific) car featured at AutoPuzzles is still to be found. Have a "close look".  ;) Locked for one more try.
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Re: Wendax 590
« Reply #6 on: June 03, 2012, 04:40:33 PM »
The car raced with a Bristol engine in 1953.  Could that be the related car?
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Re: Wendax 590
« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2012, 04:46:09 PM »
Proceed just one year and you will find the solution. Locked for one last try.
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Re: Wendax 590
« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2012, 05:12:37 PM »
In 1954 a car called the Klenk-Meteor ran in the German GP - but it was a Veritas derivative not an AFM one.
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Re: Wendax 590
« Reply #9 on: June 03, 2012, 05:13:46 PM »
That's not what I am looking for.

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Re: Wendax 590
« Reply #10 on: June 03, 2012, 05:21:55 PM »
Related to Kurt Straubel's BMW-Eigenbau?
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Re: Wendax 590
« Reply #11 on: June 04, 2012, 02:14:41 AM »
Not the one I'm looking for.
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Re: Wendax 590
« Reply #12 on: June 04, 2012, 05:01:07 PM »
Well, there are two previous puzzles for AFM sports cars.  Could one of these be the related car?
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Re: Wendax 590
« Reply #13 on: June 04, 2012, 05:13:27 PM »
Pick the right one and tell me why.  ;D
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Re: Wendax 590
« Reply #14 on: June 05, 2012, 08:18:17 AM »
Clearly not the prewar BMW 328 based sports car, so it must be the postwar AFM-50 which was apparently based on one of the 1950 BMW powered AFM single seaters and sometimes called an AFM-Küchen by people who either knew or thought it had been retro-fitted with a Küchen V8.  I don't know the history well enough to know which.
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Re: Wendax 590
« Reply #15 on: June 05, 2012, 08:22:51 AM »
Yes, it is Stuck's AFM 50. The answer to the question about the related car can be found within AutoPuzzles. It's not hard, really.
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Re: Wendax 590
« Reply #16 on: June 05, 2012, 11:46:47 AM »
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Re: Wendax 590
« Reply #17 on: June 05, 2012, 01:01:07 PM »
I don't know what more to to suggest about a related car.  The sports car that was based on an AFM 50 and possibly on this car as it is described by some as an AFM 50 - Küchen is apparently not the related car.  it.  The prewar Alex von Falkenhausen modified BMW 328 is definitely less closely related than the postwar sports car so it cannot be the answer. The AFM in this puzzle did not have a BMW engine which rules out any of the other BMW-powered cars.  Although Alex von Falkenhausen had a hand in the design of the V8 BMW 507 after he rejoined BMW, that car bears very little resemblance to the AFM.

So I simply don't know where to go from here.  ???
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Re: Wendax 590
« Reply #18 on: June 05, 2012, 01:09:26 PM »
You are so close! As you say correctly, it is not the base car for the AFM 50 sportscar (http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=19882.0), but we had a few more AFMs here before.  :idea: ???
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Re: Wendax 590
« Reply #19 on: June 05, 2012, 01:44:18 PM »
How curious.  My search didn't turn that up.  but it did turn up this one:  http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=11057.0 which you have said is not the answer.

And of course it can't be this one: http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=16346.0 as it is BMW 328 based and the puzzle car is not.
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Re: Wendax 590
« Reply #20 on: June 05, 2012, 02:04:28 PM »
I don't want to torture you any longer. Allemano's guess about the BMW engine of the Heini Walter car seems to be wrong. If you had read further on, you would have found that the Walter AFM was the rebodied Stuck AFM (which was AFM 50 #4): http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=16346.msg159494#msg159494
Anyway, the point is yours. Anything else wouldn't be fair.
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Re: Solved: Wendax 590 - AFM 50 Monoposto
« Reply #21 on: June 05, 2012, 02:40:54 PM »
But some of the Stuck AFMs were BMW engined as far as I understand. The AFM 50 had that "Küchen" V8 alloy engine.
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Re: Solved: Wendax 590 - AFM 50 Monoposto
« Reply #22 on: June 05, 2012, 02:47:45 PM »
The search function on here seems to be inconsistent.  The first time I tried "AFM" it wouldn't accept it.  I tried "AFM BMW" and it came up with three threads, none of which was the Walter car.  Then I tried "AFM" again and it came up with several, including the Walter car.  It also seemed inconsistent in what threads it did recognise each time I tried it.  Hence my frustration. 

please accept my apologies for the rude responses.
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Re: Solved: Wendax 590 - AFM 50 Monoposto
« Reply #23 on: May 01, 2020, 10:00:53 AM »
This puzzle car is the second AFM 50 built, originally equipped with the Küchen V8 engine. In 1952 the engine was swapped against a Bristol engine. In 1953 the car was sold to Heini Walter who ordered the sports car body.
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Re: Solved: Wendax 590 - AFM 50 Monoposto
« Reply #24 on: May 01, 2020, 11:08:08 AM »
Wendax, given your recent flurry of posts based around previous AFM-based puzzles, are you perhaps preparing to write an article (or better still, a book) about this interesting but much-forgotten marque?! I for one will buy a copy of the AFM book if it happens  ;)
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