Author Topic: Solved: PN #221 -- Cadillac V-63, 1924 at the 1925 Hungarian Touring Race (Read 1098 times)

pnegyesi · « **on:** August 31, 2011, 12:16:07 PM »

Please identify the car with starting number 5. The picture was most probably taken in 1925 (my previous guess of 1924 was plainly wrong).
A brand name and an approximate model year are sufficient for a point.

João · « **Reply #1 on:** August 31, 2011, 12:50:09 PM »

Maybe a Fiat 521 (1928-31) ?

pnegyesi · « **Reply #2 on:** August 31, 2011, 12:55:52 PM »

The picture was definitely taken before 1926. So it can't be a Fiat 521.

Wendax · « **Reply #3 on:** August 31, 2011, 01:49:46 PM »

Those wheels remind me of American cars. Could it be a 1924 Moon 6-50?

pnegyesi · « **Reply #4 on:** August 31, 2011, 02:14:51 PM »

Though it looks a bit similar, but I don't think it is a Moon - smaller-scaler American brands arrived to Hungary from 1926-1927

Wendax · « **Reply #5 on:** August 31, 2011, 03:18:17 PM »

So you don't think it is American?

pnegyesi · « **Reply #6 on:** August 31, 2011, 03:54:18 PM »

I think it is not from USA

Allemano · « **Reply #7 on:** August 31, 2011, 04:16:42 PM »

The name of the shop suggests it's indeed not USAmerican... Is it from Hungaria?

pnegyesi · « **Reply #8 on:** August 31, 2011, 10:49:08 PM »

The picture was taken in Budapest, in front of a dealership which sold mainly French cars. It may have been French but I am not entirely sure.
It is definitely not a Hungarian-made car

pnegyesi · « **Reply #9 on:** January 03, 2012, 01:45:40 AM »

I was wrong, it seems this one IS from the US of A. And probably a tad earlier than 1924

Manuel · « **Reply #10 on:** March 30, 2012, 05:00:49 AM »

Packard with non original lights.

Otto Puzzell · « **Reply #11 on:** March 30, 2012, 05:31:04 AM »

I agree - the fenders, hood and front bumper suggest a Packard 236, appx ca. 1925

pnegyesi · « **Reply #12 on:** March 30, 2012, 08:56:20 AM »

Well, can you show me proof, because I am convinced it is not a Packard

Tom_I · « **Reply #13 on:** March 30, 2012, 10:15:31 AM »

I don't think the wheels are right for a Packard. The five bolt wheel fixing is not typical (though not impossible), and Packard Hubs would have had a red hexagon on the end (photo below), which is not there on the puzzle car.

Having had a look around, I think the wheels fit best with a 1924 or 25 Hupmobile. It's not easy to find good photos, but the three shown below all seem to fit quite well with the puzzle car (apart from the headlamps).

pnegyesi · « **Reply #14 on:** March 30, 2012, 02:14:40 PM »

No, I don't think it is Hupmobile either

Manuel · « **Reply #15 on:** March 30, 2012, 10:44:36 PM »

I am new here but I am on other car ID sites. I prefer this to crossword puzzles :-)
The car in front is a big car; of the Packard, Pierce, full size Studee etc etc etc size.
The one at the back may be a Hupp but I don't think Hupp made them this big. I could be wrong. If u can't see the front of a car it could be anything!!
On other sites U can enlarge parts of the car. Is this done here? I don't know how but if so can someone enlarge a hubcap plse--it may help?
Cheers,
Manuel in Oz

pnegyesi · « **Reply #16 on:** March 30, 2012, 11:29:04 PM »

Puzzle car is car with starting No5, here's the original scan

Otto Puzzell · « **Reply #17 on:** April 01, 2012, 05:13:33 AM »

Quote from: Tom_I on March 30, 2012, 10:15:31 AM

I don't think the wheels are right for a Packard. The five bolt wheel fixing is not typical (though not impossible), and Packard Hubs would have had a red hexagon on the end (photo below), which is not there on the puzzle car.

Packard sold cars with 5-bolt wheels in 1923-24. And a Packard pressed into rough-road use could be retrofitted with grease caps that protruded less.

Tom_I · « **Reply #18 on:** April 01, 2012, 06:35:29 AM »

That certainly ticks a lot of boxes - this body style was clearly used on a variety of chassis.

But the door handles are different, and the puzzle car has a swage line along the panel covering the chassis side member, scuttle mounted sidelamps, and no opening vent in front of the windscreen, details which fit with a Hupmobile Eight of about 1925.

Also the Packard has 28 louvres on the side of the bonnet, while the puzzle car and Hupmobile Eight only have 27...

I know, I should get out more.

pnegyesi · « **Reply #19 on:** April 01, 2012, 06:55:45 AM »

I still don't think it is a Hupmobile

Otto Puzzell · « **Reply #20 on:** April 01, 2012, 07:52:10 AM »

Buick cars also had 27 louvers per side, at least in 1924. I can't find one with disc wheels.

pnegyesi · « **Reply #21 on:** April 01, 2012, 08:04:44 AM »

It is not a Buick, but getting closer (IMHO)

Otto Puzzell · « **Reply #22 on:** April 01, 2012, 08:33:29 AM »

Hmmm...

Pontiac/Oakland cars were sold in the 1920's with disc wheels.

More digging to do!

Otto Puzzell · « **Reply #23 on:** April 18, 2012, 03:49:32 AM »

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http://www.autopuzzles.com/

Otto Puzzell · « **Reply #24 on:** May 11, 2012, 06:18:36 AM »

No bites on the GM brands...

How about an Ajax Six, from the junior brand to Nash?

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Author Topic: Solved: PN #221 -- Cadillac V-63, 1924 at the 1925 Hungarian Touring Race (Read 1098 times)