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Re: PJ - 442
« Reply #50 on: January 20, 2012, 12:40:15 PM »

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Re: PJ - 442
« Reply #51 on: January 20, 2012, 12:56:45 PM »
This is like picking a needle from a haystack - I have another 16 makes under letter 'M' alone.
Did the manufacturer only produce cars in 1905?

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Re: PJ - 442
« Reply #52 on: January 20, 2012, 01:00:24 PM »
Boyer? (Noé Boyer et Cie.)

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Re: PJ - 442
« Reply #53 on: January 20, 2012, 01:05:57 PM »
Berliet?
:thumbsdown:
I'd suggest to narrow the list of single-named French makers active in 1905...
This is what I meant.
You can drop those 16 makes.
Not only in 1905...slightly before and not much longer after.(according to 4 different sources)

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Re: PJ - 442
« Reply #54 on: January 20, 2012, 01:06:37 PM »

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Re: PJ - 442
« Reply #55 on: January 20, 2012, 01:09:37 PM »
Louet?

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Re: PJ - 442
« Reply #56 on: January 20, 2012, 01:10:05 PM »

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Re: PJ - 442
« Reply #57 on: January 20, 2012, 01:11:31 PM »
Tourand?

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Re: PJ - 442
« Reply #58 on: January 20, 2012, 01:13:24 PM »

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Re: PJ - 442
« Reply #59 on: January 20, 2012, 01:17:40 PM »
Express?

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Re: PJ - 442
« Reply #60 on: January 20, 2012, 03:45:37 PM »

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Re: PJ - 442
« Reply #61 on: January 20, 2012, 05:02:10 PM »
Pivot 24 HP, built by Automobiles Pivot in Puteaux

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Re: PJ - 442
« Reply #62 on: January 20, 2012, 10:59:43 PM »
Berliet?
:thumbsdown:
I'd suggest to narrow the list of single-named French makers active in 1905...
This is what I meant.
You can drop those 16 makes.
Not only in 1905...slightly before and not much longer after.(according to 4 different sources)

BERLIET (1.895 - 1.939)
Berliet was a French manufacturer of automobiles, trucks and other utility vehicles. Marius Berliet began experimenting with automobiles in 1894. After a few single-cylinder vehicles in 1900 built its first twin.
In 1902, Berliet took over the plant of Audibert and Lavirotte in Lyon. Berliet then began to build four-cylinder cars with honeycomb radiator and steel chassis frame instead of wood as usual. The following year, launched a similar model Mercedes that time.
In 1906, Berliet sold a license for your model was manufactured by the American Locomotive Company.
Before the First World War, Berliet offered a range of models ranging from 60 hp to 8CV. The main models available four-cylinder engine (2412cc and 4398 cc, respectively) and had a six-cylinder model 9500cc. Between 1910 and 1912 produced a 12CV and 1539cc model. In 1912 only six units manufactured on request.
In 1917, Berliet trucks and began building cars for the French army. The company produced 40 units a day. After the war, produced models and 2613 cc 12CV, 15CV and 22CV y3308 cc and 4398cc.
In 1924 appeared a new model of 7CV and 1159 cc, and six new models appeared in 1927.
Since 1933, only offered the four-cylinder models 1600cc and 2000cc.
The only car offered by Berliet from 1936 was the Berliet Dauphine powered by a 2-liter engine.
The passenger car production ceased in 1939 and after the Second World War the company produced only trucks.
In 1967, Berliet was absorbed by Citroën.

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Re: PJ - 442
« Reply #63 on: January 21, 2012, 04:24:05 AM »
Berliet?
:thumbsdown:
I'd suggest to narrow the list of single-named French makers active in 1905...
This is what I meant.
You can drop those 16 makes.
Not only in 1905...slightly before and not much longer after.(according to 4 different sources)

BERLIET (1.895 - 1.939)
Berliet was a French manufacturer of automobiles, trucks and other utility vehicles. Marius Berliet began experimenting with automobiles in 1894. After a few single-cylinder vehicles in 1900 built its first twin.
In 1902, Berliet took over the plant of Audibert and Lavirotte in Lyon. Berliet then began to build four-cylinder cars with honeycomb radiator and steel chassis frame instead of wood as usual. The following year, launched a similar model Mercedes that time.
In 1906, Berliet sold a license for your model was manufactured by the American Locomotive Company.
Before the First World War, Berliet offered a range of models ranging from 60 hp to 8CV. The main models available four-cylinder engine (2412cc and 4398 cc, respectively) and had a six-cylinder model 9500cc. Between 1910 and 1912 produced a 12CV and 1539cc model. In 1912 only six units manufactured on request.
In 1917, Berliet trucks and began building cars for the French army. The company produced 40 units a day. After the war, produced models and 2613 cc 12CV, 15CV and 22CV y3308 cc and 4398cc.
In 1924 appeared a new model of 7CV and 1159 cc, and six new models appeared in 1927.
Since 1933, only offered the four-cylinder models 1600cc and 2000cc.
The only car offered by Berliet from 1936 was the Berliet Dauphine powered by a 2-liter engine.
The passenger car production ceased in 1939 and after the Second World War the company produced only trucks.
In 1967, Berliet was absorbed by Citroën.


Sorry Oguerrerob, I don't understand this   :-\

Pivot 24 HP, built by Automobiles Pivot in Puteaux

Seems we have a winner!
Pivot (1904-1908), picture taken from a brochure for the American market.
Well done, point for you!

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Re: PJ - 442
« Reply #64 on: January 21, 2012, 06:33:02 AM »
Berliet?
:thumbsdown:
I'd suggest to narrow the list of single-named French makers active in 1905...
This is what I meant.
You can drop those 16 makes.
Not only in 1905...slightly before and not much longer after.(according to 4 different sources)
I felt your post disrepectful toward me.

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Re: PJ - 442
« Reply #65 on: January 21, 2012, 08:51:19 AM »
If you felt so, I apologize...but I can't see how it can be read as irrespectful.
You all were naming one by one the hundreds of French makers, I suggest to narrow down the list with simple questions (is it still active, major brand, in business for more than 5 years, and so on...) but my suggestion went unnoticed.
This reply:
This is like picking a needle from a haystack - I have another 16 makes under letter 'M' alone.
Did the manufacturer only produce cars in 1905?
lead me to this answer:
Berliet?
:thumbsdown:
I'd suggest to narrow the list of single-named French makers active in 1905...
This is what I meant.
You can drop those 16 makes.
Not only in 1905...slightly before and not much longer after.(according to 4 different sources)
My comment was underlining that it was indeed like picking a needle in a haystack and that the 16 makes starting with M were useless...nothing to do with your reply or with Berliet (that was a legitimate guess after all..).

Still friends?  ;D

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Re: PJ - 442
« Reply #66 on: January 21, 2012, 10:57:04 AM »
Sorry, if I overeacted. Sure, Still friends  ;D

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Re: PJ - 442
« Reply #67 on: January 21, 2012, 03:13:35 PM »

And Wendax got his point #600!

Congratulations!  :applause: :applause: :applause:

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Re: Solved -PJ442- Pivot 24 hp Roi de Belge Tourer 1905
« Reply #68 on: January 21, 2012, 03:22:52 PM »
Grazie!

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Re: PJ - 442
« Reply #69 on: January 21, 2012, 05:01:39 PM »

And Wendax got his point #600!

Congratulations!  :applause: :applause: :applause:

Amazingly quick! Congratulations Wendax!  :bow:

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Re: Solved -PJ442- Pivot 24 hp Roi de Belge Tourer 1905
« Reply #70 on: January 21, 2012, 10:34:27 PM »
Wendax.  Great!!! Well done!! Keep going!!

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Re: Solved -PJ442- Pivot 24 hp Roi de Belge Tourer 1905
« Reply #71 on: January 22, 2012, 01:55:49 AM »
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