Author Topic: Solved - NEH 2057: Car being described as "AMX Spyder"  (Read 473 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Carnut

  • Editor
  • *
  • Posts: 40948
  • Country: gb
  • Puzzle Points 423
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Solved - NEH 2057: Car being described as "AMX Spyder"
« on: August 31, 2012, 07:13:53 AM »
What's this, built by whom, when - for 1 point?:

ANYONE FOUND GIVING ANSWERS GLEANED BY USING GOOGLE SEARCH BY IMAGE MAY BE BANNED FOR AN INDETERMINATE PERIOD!
Interests in life:  Cars, cars, cars - oh and ..er..cars

Offline Zerk

  • Expert
  • *
  • Posts: 590
  • Country: us
  • Puzzle Points 104
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: NEH 2057
« Reply #1 on: September 01, 2012, 10:27:22 AM »
1968 Bizzarrini 5300 Spyder?

Offline Carnut

  • Editor
  • *
  • Posts: 40948
  • Country: gb
  • Puzzle Points 423
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: NEH 2057
« Reply #2 on: September 01, 2012, 10:31:13 AM »
1968 Bizzarrini 5300 Spyder?

Not exactly, no, although of course there's a strong Bizzarrini connection.
There actually seems to be some argument about what it is and when it was built, but for the point I need to know what it is being touted as today!
I'll lock it for you for 12 hours to see if you can find out the answer, since you're close.
« Last Edit: September 01, 2012, 10:35:00 AM by Carnut »
Interests in life:  Cars, cars, cars - oh and ..er..cars

Offline Zerk

  • Expert
  • *
  • Posts: 590
  • Country: us
  • Puzzle Points 104
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: NEH 2057
« Reply #3 on: September 01, 2012, 09:08:18 PM »
I thank you for the lock.
It never occurred to me that such a limited-production manufacturer would have such a complex history; pre-Bizzarrini, racing cars, road cars, prototypes, various projects carried out after Bizzarrini ceased production that are adrift in history. One-off Lamborghini-powered cars built by former factory personnel. Special variations to suit demanding customers...

Is the puzzle subject an AMX-3 car?
« Last Edit: September 02, 2012, 12:20:02 PM by Zerk »

Offline Carnut

  • Editor
  • *
  • Posts: 40948
  • Country: gb
  • Puzzle Points 423
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: NEH 2057
« Reply #4 on: September 02, 2012, 06:46:12 AM »
Yes, that's (almost) what it is!
But there's quite a lot more to this story so there's still a bit of work to do for your point!
The remaining parts of the puzzle question are still to be answered:  who built it and when?
And it's not as straightforward as it seems!
Still locked for you to complete the job.

In the meantime here are some more pictures of this beautiful car:

Interests in life:  Cars, cars, cars - oh and ..er..cars

Offline Zerk

  • Expert
  • *
  • Posts: 590
  • Country: us
  • Puzzle Points 104
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: NEH 2057
« Reply #5 on: September 02, 2012, 12:18:38 PM »
Who may have built the car: Giorgio Giordanengo
When it may have been built: In the '90s.
And, while we have the word of a Bizzarrini expert that the car is only tenuously connected with Giotto Bizzarrini, it seems to be his brainchild, whether he authorized or commissioned its construction or not. It follows a line he himself created, and so it might be described as a "continuation car" or perhaps a "tribute car".
For a time, it was an accepted fact that three Bizzarrini Spyders had been built. Then a fourth, powered not by a Chevrolet engine but by the Bizzarrini-designed Lamborghini V8, came to light, when such a car seemed an utter chimaera.
Then another Lambo-engined car was revealed. And this ridiculously brief and wildly unofficial history brings us in a roundabout way to the puzzle car and its possible origin.
In 1969, Richard Teague commissioned Bizzarrini to create a series of prototypes for American Motors Corporation's AMX-3 program. Despite much promising feedback, AMC ended the program, and for tax reasons ordered Bizzarrini to destroy the six beautifully handbuilt cars and to scrap the full parts inventory.
It has been suggested that not only were the AMX-3 cars not destroyed, but that in fact more than six AMX-3 cars exist today. Some believe that a cache of unscrapped AMX-3 parts and an abundance of craftsmanship have made this burgeoning supply of rarities possible. There are hints that chassis numbers can be subject to the same sort of ambiguity as the construction dates.
« Last Edit: September 02, 2012, 12:27:03 PM by Zerk »

Offline Carnut

  • Editor
  • *
  • Posts: 40948
  • Country: gb
  • Puzzle Points 423
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: NEH 2057
« Reply #6 on: September 02, 2012, 03:28:51 PM »
That's the intriguing story, yes!
So whilst it looks like a 1960s car it is really, as you say, a 1990s continuation of the theme built up from some leftover parts.  One day it will no doubt be auctioned for some fanstastic sum on the basis of its Bizzarrini 'history'!
It's a bit like the old story "They only built 39 Ferrari 250 GTOs, and I've seen all 50 of them..."!
Interests in life:  Cars, cars, cars - oh and ..er..cars

Offline Zerk

  • Expert
  • *
  • Posts: 590
  • Country: us
  • Puzzle Points 104
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: Solved - NEH 2057: Car being described as "AMX Spyder"
« Reply #7 on: September 02, 2012, 04:17:05 PM »
Thanks once again for an interesting challenge. And while I may have seemed dismissive of the puzzle car's unusual creation, I am actually much more engaged by the car than by its provenance or its ability to draw high bids at auctions. The original cars were well designed, capable and had quite high limits. Given the similarity of the AMX-3 Spyder I believe it too may be a fine car, and not merely a fine looking one.

But as you suggest, the question remains; who will pay Bizzarrini money for a car the purported creator may never have set eyes on ??? Better to sell it as a fascinating car that's worth collecting in its own right.

If a case of Newcastle fell off the back of a truck, it'd still be a case of Newcastle...