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Solved - NEH 1968: Ferrari 250 Lusso modified by Tom Meade
« on: July 30, 2012, 10:22:52 AM »
1 point for identifying what this is and who was responsible for it?

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Re: NEH 1968
« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2012, 09:33:36 AM »
Ferrari 330 gtb?

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Re: NEH 1968
« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2012, 09:36:49 AM »
Ferrari 330 gtb?

is there such a car?!

It is a Ferrari but you're not on the mark with a 330..
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Re: NEH 1968
« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2012, 09:47:10 AM »
There was a 330 gtb at le mans in the beginning of the 60's

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Re: NEH 1968
« Reply #4 on: July 31, 2012, 10:02:18 AM »
275 base?

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Re: NEH 1968
« Reply #5 on: July 31, 2012, 11:04:04 AM »
There was a 330 gtb at le mans in the beginning of the 60's

I don't think so...  You're thinking of the 330 LMB perhaps?  It's not that..

275 base?

Not based on a 275, no.
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Re: NEH 1968
« Reply #6 on: July 31, 2012, 11:42:36 AM »
I will have a look but this 330 was i am sure a GT Prototype

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Re: NEH 1968
« Reply #7 on: July 31, 2012, 11:51:00 AM »
So coming back to your Ferrari,could it be a 500?

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Re: NEH 1968
« Reply #8 on: July 31, 2012, 11:54:43 AM »
So coming back to your Ferrari,could it be a 500?

No, it's not a 500.
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Re: NEH 1968
« Reply #9 on: July 31, 2012, 12:00:39 PM »
400?

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Re: NEH 1968
« Reply #10 on: July 31, 2012, 02:21:42 PM »
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Re: NEH 1968
« Reply #11 on: July 31, 2012, 06:05:17 PM »
I will have a look but this 330 was i am sure a GT Prototype

Ferrari model names (or rather numbers) can seem eternally confusing, but I can tell you there was no 330 GT prototype in the early 60's...

There was a Ferrari 330 GT, which was a 4-seater from about 1964 plus a slightly later Series 2; there was also a 330 GTC and a 330 GTS (completely different cars from the 330 GT!) plus the one-off 330 LMB, but no other 330s apart from the racing 330 P4s...

It was when they got on to the 365s that it became really confusing, with a 365 GTC, 365 GTS, 365 California, 365 GT 2+2, 365 GTB/4, 365 GTS/4, 365 GTC/4, 365 GT/4 2+2, 365 GT/4 BB, the one-off 365P, which I think covers all or at least nearly all of them and mostly completely different cars...!

So, keep digging fredrick - the answer is out there!
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Re: NEH 1968
« Reply #12 on: August 01, 2012, 02:13:17 AM »
I will check once at home
a topic on racing ferrari would be a great subject


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Re: NEH 1968
« Reply #13 on: August 01, 2012, 04:37:59 AM »
a topic on racing ferrari would be a great subject



You'd need several volumes of a book...!
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Re: NEH 1968
« Reply #14 on: August 01, 2012, 05:04:31 AM »
Could it be a 365GTC?

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Re: NEH 1968
« Reply #15 on: August 01, 2012, 05:10:39 AM »
Could it be a 365GTC?

Not really, no!
It had exposed headlights..
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Re: NEH 1968
« Reply #16 on: August 01, 2012, 08:31:33 AM »
I believe it is a Ferrari 250 GT Lusso Speciale from 1963, bodied by Fantuzzi

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Re: NEH 1968
« Reply #17 on: August 01, 2012, 09:43:54 AM »
I believe it is a Ferrari 250 GT Lusso Speciale from 1963, bodied by Fantuzzi

Not quite.
That is S/N 0383 pictured below.

It is a 250 GT Lusso Special, but not that one; so what is it?
I'll lock it for you to have another go.

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Re: NEH 1968
« Reply #18 on: August 01, 2012, 11:09:28 AM »
These serial numbers seem a bit confusing. The red car on the picture has s/n 4383GT according to several sources on internet and the b/w picture is the same as mentioned on coachbuild.com, and then it is referred to as a 250 GT Lusso Speciale by Fantuzzi. S/n 0383 can be found as a 250 Europa... I don't know who is right, may be you can clarify this before looking further ? Thanks

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Re: NEH 1968
« Reply #19 on: August 01, 2012, 11:59:29 AM »
These serial numbers seem a bit confusing. The red car on the picture has s/n 4383GT according to several sources on internet and the b/w picture is the same as mentioned on coachbuild.com, and then it is referred to as a 250 GT Lusso Speciale by Fantuzzi. S/n 0383 can be found as a 250 Europa... I don't know who is right, may be you can clarify this before looking further ? Thanks

Well, before we go looking into chassis numbers (I've no idea what is right and wrong but will dig into it) let's see if you can identify the puzzle car.  Note it doesn't have the 250GTO flaps in the nose like the red car pictured, but whether it actuallly is a different car or the same car a bit earlier in its life I can't be sure.
Even if it is the same car built by Fantuzzi, who did they do it for?
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Re: NEH 1968
« Reply #20 on: August 01, 2012, 03:10:03 PM »
As far as I can check the car was bodied by Fantuzzi for Luciano Pederzani in 1964. In the seventies the GTO-vents were added by Tom Meade.

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Re: NEH 1968
« Reply #21 on: August 01, 2012, 06:24:02 PM »
As far as I can check the car was bodied by Fantuzzi for Luciano Pederzani in 1964. In the seventies the GTO-vents were added by Tom Meade.

Well, since you've made the Tom Meade connection I'll give you the point, but your story is not quite the same as mine!  However, I doubt whether either are fully correct and we'll probably never get to the bottom of it...  My story says that Tom Meade made the mods himself, and my puzzle photo is earlier than the seventies and before the vents were added, whether or not by Meade...

Here is the story I have, from when the puzzle car was auctioned:

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Tom Meade was born in Hollywood and raised in Australia and Hawaii. At a very young age he developed a passion for beautiful cars. In 1960, after a four year hitch in the Navy, he returned to Newport Beach, California, where he stumbled upon a Ferrari Testa Rossa. He coveted the car, even though it was priced far beyond his reach --at $4000.

The owner of the car told him about a warehouse in Rome full of used race cars that were being sold for a song. That was it. Meade packed a tennis bag, and with only $50 in his pocket, hitchhiked his way to Rome. He combed the city for the famous warehouse, which of course turned out to be a myth, just like the streets paved with pizza. He heard about a Ferrari being used on a Dino di Laurentis movie, but by the time he arrived at the set it was gone. However, he was offered the part of a British army officer in the film, and was cast opposite David Niven. The months of nighttime shooting left his days free for car hunting, but the results were still zero.

After the film wrapped, Tom ventured to Modena, Italy, home of Maserati --and Mr. Ferrari. While on a tour of the Maserati plant, he spotted a beautiful shape covered by a tarp. He asked the guide what it was, and was told, "scrap." but Meade pulled up the cover and discovered the remains of the prototype 350S V-12 built for Stirling Moss to drive in the 1957 Mille Miglia. After much begging and negotiation, the car was his... for a mere $420! With only nickels left, he found a friendly farmer who let him keep the car in the barn with the cows. Tom slept in the hayloft, ate off the land, and immediately went to work rebuilding the car. He made a daily trips to the Maserati factory to root out parts and eventually was given free run of the racing department. When the car was finished, he shipped it back to the States and hitchhiked his way home again. Back in America, he sold the car $2,700 --a huge profit for the time.

With the proceeds from his big sale, Meade returned to Modena, rented an apartment for $8 a month, and began brokering Ferraris, Maseratis, Lamborghinis, and Bizzarinis. He was the only American broker in Italy at the time, and became the “go to” guy for foreigners seeking Italian sports cars. His business began to grow, and he wanted to begin creating custom coachwork, so he moved his operations to a large warehouse, and his business continued to flourish.

Eventually he was selling many cars a month, with a large and well-equipped shop staffed by skilled craftsmen, many moonlighting from their day jobs at Ferrari or Maserati.

In 1962, Meade named his first custom-bodied car, built on a Ferrari 250 GT chassis, Thomassima 1, which in Italian means “the maximum from Thomas.” It was unfortunately lost in the floods of Florence. The first of his famous Nembo Spyders came in the mid 1960s, also built on a Ferrari 250 GT chassis. In 1967 he built Thomassima 2, a truly beautiful creation. In 1969 he built the third and final Nembo Spyder, S/N 2707, built as a lightweight competizione street version. A Lebanese Ferrari dealer out of Paris commissioned the car. The dealer took the car to Beirut and both he and the car have never been heard of since.

Also in 1969 came the Thomassima 3, which created a sensation when exhibited at Italy’s automobile manufacturers’ show in Turin, the most important and prestigious event of it’s kind in Europe. It was necessary to move the surrounding exhibits further back, to make room for the dense crowds surrounding Meade’s creation. The resulting worldwide publicity included his life story on 60 Minutes and a talk show appearance with Walter Cronkite and Roger Mudd. Mattel manufactures Thomassima 3 as one of its Hot Wheels collection. Feature articles followed in Road and Track and Motor Trend magazines.

As a result of the acclaim over Meade’s bold styling and beautiful designs some customers brought their production Ferraris to Meade and asked him to modify them into something unique and even more beautiful. Sometimes Meade fully re-bodied them, and other times he only modified parts of their factory original bodies, such as the 250 GT/L Lusso “Speciale,” offered here at Monterey, which he customized with covered headlights.

Meade –living in California now, recalled in a recent interview that these “semi-customs” gave him a great satisfaction because they allowed him to add his personal touch to some of the great designs of the period. While he did not keep records, he believes his total lifetime production of modified and custom bodied Ferraris and Maseratis is less than 50 cars, making them exceptionally rare today. Praise for his work was abundant in the period, and his cars are increasingly sought after by modern collectors.
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Re: Solved - NEH 1968: Ferrari 250 Lusso modified by Tom Meade
« Reply #22 on: August 02, 2012, 02:48:58 AM »
Thanks for the story  :) ! Italians and bookkeeping were not the best combination possible as far as s/n are concerned...