Topic: Solved - NEH 1862: Pawma XL-300

[Carnut]

What's this and where was it built, for 1 point?

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[dzima1985]

Pawma XL-300 from Indonesia

[Carnut]

Yes.
How did you know that?

[Arunas]

Very strange. Are you sure that this company ever made Charade Monza under license in Indonesia

According to the paragraph from the article, Indonesian company was only a partner to make bodies:

EN RÊVE, QUELQUE PART

En fait, l’histoire de la Monza commence il y a quatre ans environ. Pierre Foissotte parle à tous de cette voiture qui hante ses rêves ; des gens se joignent à lui puis repartent, d’autres restent, et tout doucement, le projet prend forme. « Au départ, nous étions une voiture qui sorte de l’ordinaire. Il ne s’agissait alors que d’en construire 10 à 12 exemplaires, uniquement pour nous. Hommes d’affaires, personnes fortunées, tous passionnés d’automobiles ; chacun y a mis ses moyens et son argent  ». Au cours des voyages qui le mènent d’un continent et d’un barrage à l’aute, Pierre Foissotte rencontre un designer japonais, Monsieur No, qui lui présente les croquis de la voiture de ses rêves. De même que l’homme descend du singe, et le singe de l’arbre, la Monza descendra de ce projet, et d’Asie du Sud-Est.
« En Europe, quand on a des idées pareilles à la nôtre, on est tout de suite bloqué par des problèmes financiers, qui prennent une ampleur phénoménale », raconte Pierre Foissotte avant de passer à la suite de son aventure ; car ses rapports avec l’Asie du Sud-Est ne vont plus cesser de se développer. Après un premier contact, il retourne en Indonésie, à ses frais. Il y rencontre « quelqu’un qui connaissait quelqu’un, qui était susceptible de faire la carrosserie : c’est un industriel indonésien qui avait déjà toute une infrastructure, qui maîtrisait bien le l’automobile ». Banco ! C’est lui qui, aujourd’hui encore, fabrique les moules et les carrosseries de la Monza. Les vitres, elles aussi, posent un problème : « C’est bien malheureux à dire, mais en France, personne ne répond pour ce genre de choses. Au Japon, nous avons trouvé les gens qui nous ont permis d’avoir un pare-brise et des glaces spécifiques. Ils sont beaucoup plus ouverts, même à de nouveaux marchés, ils sont prêts à faire de la petite série ». Pour surprenants qu’ils soient, les liens établis par la petite équipe avec des entreprises extrême-orientales dénotent en tout cas un grand réalisme et un très sérieux souci d’économie. Et ses gènes asiatiques sont certainement la plus originale des caractéristique de la Monza.

[Carnut]

I don't know.
All I have is the same picture/advert that dzima1985 posted.  It says 'Pawma' on the front licence plate and it gives the car a name, Pawma XL-300, so whether or not they actually made/sold any I don't know but it looks like the intention was there!

What I want to know is, how on earth did dzima1985 find this?

[dzima1985]

I do not know anything about this car. Based on the inscriptions on the license plate, I suggested that this "Pavma"

[Carnut]

I do not know anything about this car. Based on the inscriptions on the license plate, I suggested that this "Pavma"

But how did you trace the car?
I blanked out its name on the front licence plate..

[Paul Jaray]

That was an hard one indeed!
Dzima1985 it seems you have some great powers...you do not find obscure cars at once only, but you can even read a blanked out licence plate!

Out of jokes, this is a game and you do not gain anything playing it...it's just for the fun of it.
If you solve a very hard puzzle using 'Google Image Search' what will you obtain? A point?
And all the rest of us will lose the opportunity to do what is really the core of this site: ask, look for clues, browse pages and pages...
Not to mention the fact that someone spent hours looking for nice puzzles to post and it's not nice to see them solved like that.

I'd like to know what happened...
PJ

[dzima1985]

I solved this puzzle is not using the "Google Image Search."
Picture of this car, I found about a year ago at one of the forums.

[dzima1985]

Unlike Сharade Monza this car has doors that open up

[Carnut]

OK, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt, but I thought this would be a hard nut to crack, not one that would get solved by a rookie in under 24 hours..

[Craig Gillingham]

I don't think a Google image search will even get a result using the original image. I can't get it to work.

[Delorean]

I first thought it was a Laura Kaliakra, but that one has a different side ...

[Carnut]

I don't think a Google image search will even get a result using the original image. I can't get it to work.

Nor can I actually!
Which makes this one even more obscure and I'm stunned it was solved in under 24 hours.
That's a lot less than it took me to source it and tends to make me wonder if I'm wasting my time!

[RayTheRat]

I don't have any vested interest in this, but I found the 2 images that dzima posted by doing a google search for the name of the vehicle.  They're on a Russian radio-control car site, posted there in January of this year.

I did the search using the Chrome browser which allowed me to translate the page after navigating to it...without having to do any copy/paste of the text.  I'm sure most people know how to do this, but I'm just making the statement to illustrate the fact that I found the 2 images in a few seconds by googling the name.  If I'd already had that image in my reference files, I could have done the same.  Matter of fact, I solved a puzzle within seconds the other day because I knew I'd seen the image and knew where to look for it.

Just my 2 cents' worth,

RtR

[Carnut]

I don't have any vested interest in this, but I found the 2 images that dzima posted by doing a google search for the name of the vehicle.  They're on a Russian radio-control car site, posted there in January of this year.

I did the search using the Chrome browser which allowed me to translate the page after navigating to it...without having to do any copy/paste of the text.  I'm sure most people know how to do this, but I'm just making the statement to illustrate the fact that I found the 2 images in a few seconds by googling the name.  If I'd already had that image in my reference files, I could have done the same.  Matter of fact, I solved a puzzle within seconds the other day because I knew I'd seen the image and knew where to look for it.

Just my 2 cents' worth,

RtR

Yes, I'm probably being paranoid.
It's just that these puzzles can take a lot of finding and one always hopes they'll stick around for a bit otherwise I can't keep up.  New puzzles are actually getting a bit harder to find..
Of course if you key in the actual name of the vehicle and still can't find it then you're not doing something right..
It's the name of the vehicle that's the difficult bit when trying to solve a puzzle!

[RayTheRat]

I don't have any vested interest in this, but I found the 2 images that dzima posted by doing a google search for the name of the vehicle.  They're on a Russian radio-control car site, posted there in January of this year.

I did the search using the Chrome browser which allowed me to translate the page after navigating to it...without having to do any copy/paste of the text.  I'm sure most people know how to do this, but I'm just making the statement to illustrate the fact that I found the 2 images in a few seconds by googling the name.  If I'd already had that image in my reference files, I could have done the same.  Matter of fact, I solved a puzzle within seconds the other day because I knew I'd seen the image and knew where to look for it.

Just my 2 cents' worth,

RtR

Yes, I'm probably being paranoid.
It's just that these puzzles can take a lot of finding and one always hopes they'll stick around for a bit otherwise I can't keep up.  New puzzles are actually getting a bit harder to find..
Of course if you key in the actual name of the vehicle and still can't find it then you're not doing something right..
It's the name of the vehicle that's the difficult bit when trying to solve a puzzle!

You're absolutely right.  The lack of a name is precisely what makes Google Image Search so appealing.  It IS, as you wrote, hard to find a car by mental picture alone.  If I start with a new puzzle with a photo of a car I don't recognize is to start searching for characteristics that I DO recognize and see if I can associate them with cars I know.  Then I can start using whatever reference material I have at hand to narrow the search.  Some are relatively easy (that's a big "relatively") and others cases I have to decide that it's not worth my time.  If there was a way to plug my optic nerves into the computer I'd do a lot better, cuz my memory was destroyed by medical issues.  I have to keep an indexed "fast search" program to search thru my own reference library of photos...and it won't do an image search...only file name.

RtR

[Carnut]

And that's what I call fun!
Where's the fun in just inserting a picture into Image Search and the machine gives you a dozen sites where you can find it?  It's none at all..

[jotage21]

This car was illustrated in the cover page of one Dutch puzzler site a month ago, so I think that it´s not so hard to find its name.

[Paul Jaray]

I solved this puzzle is not using the "Google Image Search."
Picture of this car, I found about a year ago at one of the forums.

Thank you, there's nothing more than your word and it's enough for me.
I hope you understand our struggle to keep this game alive against unfair behaviour and I'm happy we have a new (and quite good) new member.
PJ

[dzima1985]

I have my own large collection of rare and unique vehicles (30,000 images), I am collecting for 10 years. I am constantly looking for new information on new vehicles. Sincerely ...