Author Topic: Solved - NEH 1715: Audi P70 - 1956 (Read 3118 times)

Carnut · « **on:** April 04, 2012, 05:52:48 AM »

As far as I can ascertain this car has NOT featured before on AP, despite appearances.
So, what is it, from when - for 1 point?

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cljo · « **Reply #1 on:** April 04, 2012, 06:41:40 AM »

Trabant P70. Body made of "fibreglass", called duroplast, made out of surplus soviet cotton fibres. Two stroke engine (two cylinders). I saw quite a few of them visiting East Germany in the eighties.

Carnut · « **Reply #2 on:** April 04, 2012, 07:32:49 AM »

Quote from: cljo on April 04, 2012, 06:41:40 AM

Trabant P70. Body made of "fibreglass", called duroplast, made out of surplus soviet cotton fibres. Two stroke engine (two cylinders). I saw quite a few of them visiting East Germany in the eighties.

This being AutoPuzzles things are rarely quite what they seem to be.
And whilst this car appears to be a Trabant P70 that would have been way too easy and is not the right answer to this puzzle!
Have another look!

Carnut · « **Reply #3 on:** April 11, 2012, 04:51:34 AM »

Experts?

Delorean · « **Reply #4 on:** April 11, 2012, 05:48:54 AM »

My first guess was also a Trabant P70, but if it isn't that, could it be the predecessor of the Trabant, the AWZ P70 (Automobil Werke Zwickau) build between 1955 and 1959? They have the same bodywork ...

PS. There's also another car with the same bodywork, but I'll make one guess at a time ...

Carnut · « **Reply #5 on:** April 11, 2012, 06:01:40 AM »

Quote from: Delorean on April 11, 2012, 05:48:54 AM

My first guess was also a Trabant P70, but if it isn't that, could it be the predecessor of the Trabant, the AWZ P70 (Automobil Werke Zwickau) build between 1955 and 1959? They have the same bodywork ...
PS. There's also another car with the same bodywork, but I'll make one guess at a time ...

You'll have to make this one now, as the other is not the answer I'm looking for!

Delorean · « **Reply #6 on:** April 11, 2012, 06:09:53 AM »

Ok, then my other option was a Sachsenring P70 ...

Carnut · « **Reply #7 on:** April 11, 2012, 06:26:18 AM »

Quote from: Delorean on April 11, 2012, 06:09:53 AM

Ok, then my other option was a Sachsenring P70 ...

No, it's masquerading as something else here!

Delorean · « **Reply #8 on:** April 11, 2012, 07:00:14 AM »

Quote from: Carnut on April 11, 2012, 06:26:18 AM

Quote from: Delorean on April 11, 2012, 06:09:53 AM
Ok, then my other option was a Sachsenring P70 ...

No, it's masquerading as something else here!

I'll have to start digging then ...

tonyola · « **Reply #9 on:** April 11, 2012, 08:03:08 AM »

~~AWZ P70 Zwickau from around 1956 - the direct predecessor to the Trabant.~~

Bleah, if it's not that, I got nothing.

Delorean · « **Reply #10 on:** April 11, 2012, 08:59:55 AM »

Is it one of the above made under license in another country?

Carnut · « **Reply #11 on:** April 11, 2012, 09:24:33 AM »

Quote from: Delorean on April 11, 2012, 08:59:55 AM

Is it one of the above made under license in another country?

It's one of the above of course (same car) and made by them as well, but marketed under a different name elsewhere.

Delorean · « **Reply #12 on:** April 11, 2012, 10:50:17 AM »

East European?

Carnut · « **Reply #13 on:** April 11, 2012, 11:49:32 AM »

Quote from: Delorean on April 11, 2012, 10:50:17 AM

East European?

Surprisingly, no!

hondast · « **Reply #14 on:** April 11, 2012, 12:09:15 PM »

A brand of Auto Union?

wingroad · « **Reply #15 on:** April 11, 2012, 01:49:07 PM »

Japanese ?

Carnut · « **Reply #16 on:** April 11, 2012, 01:56:49 PM »

Quote from: wingroad on April 11, 2012, 01:49:07 PM

Japanese ?

Not Japanese...

Quote from: hondast on April 11, 2012, 12:09:15 PM

A brand of Auto Union?

...but you're getting VERY warm with this one!

hondast · « **Reply #17 on:** April 11, 2012, 03:34:21 PM »

Audi?

Delorean · « **Reply #18 on:** April 11, 2012, 04:11:07 PM »

Audi didn't bother to exist yet in 1955 ...

DKW maybe?

Carnut · « **Reply #19 on:** April 11, 2012, 06:05:20 PM »

Quote from: Delorean on April 11, 2012, 04:11:07 PM

Audi didn't bother to exist yet in 1955 ...

DKW maybe?

Don't forget Audi was a pre-war company - and somebody obviously still had the right to use it in some markets before its general revival by Mercedes in the early 1960s because...

Quote from: hondast on April 11, 2012, 03:34:21 PM

Audi?

...Hondast is right!
It was marketed in Sweden as the Audi P70 because they didn't think AWZ or Trabant or any of the other names had sufficient cachet in the Swedish market and that it would sell as an Audi however crap it was!

Wendax · « **Reply #20 on:** April 12, 2012, 02:06:51 AM »

Some additional information and corrections:
In 1955, the AWZ P 70 Zwickau appeared as the successor of the IFA F 8, combining its chassis with a new Duroplast body. It was built by the VEB Automobilwerk Zwickau, the former Audi works. In some export markets it was sold as the "Zwickau P 70" (in the Netherlands) or, as we have learnt here, as the "Audi P 70". In 1958, the former Horch works (by then VEB Sachsenring Kraftfahrzeug- und Motorenwerk Zwickau) and AWZ were merged to become the VEB Sachsenring Automobilwerke Zwickau. Despite the company name, the AWZ P 70 wasn't renamed to "Sachsenring P 70", it was just called "Typ P 70". The only car to be officially named Sachsenring was the P 240 (and the S 4000 truck). The successor of the P 70 was the P 50, for which the name Trabant was created. There never was a "Trabant P 70".

Delorean · « **Reply #21 on:** April 12, 2012, 02:21:39 AM »

I always thought the prewar-Audi's started in 1965? Anyway ...

Did they actually make any of these Audi P70's? Or was it just a marketingthing and never sold any?

Wendax · « **Reply #22 on:** April 12, 2012, 02:49:07 AM »

Quote from: Delorean on April 12, 2012, 02:21:39 AM

I always thought the prewar-Audi's started in 1965? Anyway ...

Did they actually make any of these Audi P70's? Or was it just a marketingthing and never sold any?

Yes, the post-war Audis started in 1965.

Looking at the article I'm not even sure whether it was the official sales name or just the invention of a creative journalist referring to the ex-Audi works where the P 70 was built.

Carnut · « **Reply #23 on:** April 12, 2012, 04:31:28 AM »

This is a translation from a Swedish website:

QUOTE
What might this be for an Audi, then? Well, what is sometimes called the forerunner of Trabant, namely, IFA, or Zwickau AWZ P70. In Sweden, people thought that Audi had better cachet.

P70 was presented at the Leipzig Fair in 1955 as "the first series-built plastic car", manufactured by Automobil Werke Zwickau (AWZ) between 1955 and 1958. A Kombi came in 1956 followed by a coupe in 1957. A total of 36151 AWZ P70 were made. Because of the lack of steel sheet, they were manufactured from a material which is called duroplast. This is a type of thermosetting plastic closely related to bakelite . Duroplast was made from recycled surplus cotton from the Soviet Union, and phenolic resin, which was a by-product of the East German industry. Also the better-known Trabant was made of this material.
UNQUOTE

Allemano · « **Reply #24 on:** April 12, 2012, 04:34:40 AM »

Quote from: Wendax on April 12, 2012, 02:49:07 AM

Looking at the article I'm not even sure whether it was the official sales name or just the invention of a creative journalist referring to the ex-Audi works where the P 70 was built.

I second that!

There wasn't any official or inofficial Audi with that name.

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