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Solved - MJW #958 - PGW-BMW Special c.1953
« on: July 24, 2012, 03:51:28 PM »
I really don't have any information on this sports racer except for the name and the base car make/engine.
One point if you can name these two items and perhaps a second point if you can provide the full information on the car.

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Re: MJW #958
« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2012, 04:48:34 AM »
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Re: MJW #958
« Reply #2 on: July 31, 2012, 07:57:22 AM »
Too low to be BMW-based so is it VW-based?
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Re: MJW #958
« Reply #3 on: July 31, 2012, 11:18:47 AM »
Too low to be BMW-based so is it VW-based?
According to my source it is BMW based or has a BMW engine.
Sorry but I only have the marque name of this car so I can't tell you more.

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Re: MJW #958
« Reply #4 on: August 06, 2012, 01:27:04 AM »
Let's see if the Pros know more?

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Re: MJW #958
« Reply #5 on: August 06, 2012, 02:03:44 AM »
It is Heinz Paris driving the PGW-BMW.

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Re: MJW #958
« Reply #6 on: August 06, 2012, 02:09:41 AM »
It is Heinz Paris driving the PGW-BMW.
Yes it is!
One point for you.
I only had the name of this BMW special - do you have any more information - year, builder, etc. for an extra point?

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Re: MJW #958
« Reply #7 on: August 06, 2012, 02:25:18 AM »
Picture was probably taken in 1955 where he did four races with an Eigenbau and starting number 47.  The 1955 car was listed as "BMW Eigenbau", entrant was BSG Chemie Rudolstadt (BSG = Betriebssportgemeinschaft = company's sports club). There are some listings of the PGW with Heinz Paris in 1953.

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Re: MJW #958
« Reply #8 on: August 06, 2012, 05:02:33 AM »
Picture was probably taken in 1955 where he did four races with an Eigenbau and starting number 47.  The 1955 car was listed as "BMW Eigenbau", entrant was BSG Chemie Rudolstadt (BSG = Betriebssportgemeinschaft = company's sports club). There are some listings of the PGW with Heinz Paris in 1953.
Enough additional information for the extra point I think...

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Re: Solved - MJW #958 - PGW-BMW Special c.1953
« Reply #9 on: August 06, 2012, 05:04:10 AM »
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Re: Solved - MJW #958 - PGW-BMW Special c.1953
« Reply #10 on: August 07, 2012, 04:13:40 PM »
Have you any idea what BMW engine was used?  The 328 engine and its siblings were very tall engines and wouldn't fit under that bonnet.  Was it perhaps a BMW flat twin motorcycle engine?
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Re: Solved - MJW #958 - PGW-BMW Special c.1953
« Reply #11 on: August 07, 2012, 04:16:09 PM »
Have you any idea what BMW engine was used?  The 328 engine and its siblings were very tall engines and wouldn't fit under that bonnet.  Was it perhaps a BMW flat twin motorcycle engine?
Good question
I don't have the answer but others may...

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Re: Solved - MJW #958 - PGW-BMW Special c.1953
« Reply #12 on: August 07, 2012, 04:26:24 PM »
Checking on Martin Krejci's excellent site I see it ran in the 1100cc class which does seem to suggest the smaller motorcycle engine. As it raced in the DDR it was presumably a prewar engine.
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Re: Solved - MJW #958 - PGW-BMW Special c.1953
« Reply #13 on: August 08, 2012, 05:26:26 AM »
Checking on Martin Krejci's excellent site I see it ran in the 1100cc class which does seem to suggest the smaller motorcycle engine. As it raced in the DDR it was presumably a prewar engine.
Yes, I'd tend to agree with you on that Duncan.
Presumably front-wheel drive as well.