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Re: PJ - 722
« Reply #50 on: April 21, 2016, 11:40:21 AM »
no x 2
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Re: PJ - 722
« Reply #51 on: April 22, 2016, 04:34:57 AM »
Tenconi?
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Re: PJ - 722
« Reply #52 on: April 22, 2016, 06:14:55 AM »
Not Tenconi.
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Re: PJ - 722
« Reply #53 on: April 22, 2016, 11:13:50 AM »
Veneziana ?
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Re: PJ - 722
« Reply #54 on: April 23, 2016, 02:35:42 PM »
Not Veneziana.
It's not a surname or a place.
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Re: PJ - 722
« Reply #55 on: April 24, 2016, 09:57:25 AM »
Was the coachbuilder active from the 20s to the 40s ?
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Re: PJ - 722
« Reply #56 on: April 24, 2016, 10:37:14 AM »
Nope...later & later.
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Re: PJ - 722
« Reply #57 on: April 24, 2016, 11:45:23 AM »
AR ?
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Re: PJ - 722
« Reply #58 on: April 24, 2016, 02:51:32 PM »
Locked for you. AR is the (very) short name. There are 2 more words and none is Carrozzeria. A and R are the initials of the coachbuilder.
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Re: PJ - 722
« Reply #59 on: April 24, 2016, 04:05:27 PM »
Antonio Riccobono
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Re: PJ - 722
« Reply #60 on: April 26, 2016, 07:37:42 AM »
That's the man. What are the 2 missing words?
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Re: PJ - 722
« Reply #61 on: April 26, 2016, 12:02:48 PM »
The only words that I've seen associated with AR are Messina (1 word) and Omnia Motor Auto (3 words), so I have no idea what these two words can be. There's hardly anything about AR online.
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Re: PJ - 722
« Reply #62 on: April 27, 2016, 03:01:33 PM »
You found it!
Carrozzeria A.R. (Antonio Riccobono) was active in Messina, in the Omnia Motor Auto (a Lancia's service workshop) locals.
I don't know why I was asking for 2 words (probably just Omnia Motor) but the full name was indeed Omnia-Motor-Auto.
I read in Als15's book that Frua's 1100 S car was commissioned by a client...was he Riccobono? I doubt Franz Riccobono (Antonio's son) who run his archive got it wrong (and now I see why the article shows only a back view...).
Point for you!

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Re: PJ - 722
« Reply #63 on: April 27, 2016, 07:13:38 PM »
Sorry but if we suppose that this car was commissioned to Frua by a customer, perhaps Riccobono, so we're saying this car actually is a Fiat 1100 Frua.... 8)
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Re: PJ - 722
« Reply #64 on: April 28, 2016, 03:49:02 AM »
I hope to receive more info about it.
I don't trust the magazine I took that article from very much but its source was Riccobono's son that is taking care of the archive.
I would not have made a puzzle with Frua's 1100 because it's not that obscure.
...but another point can be there for the missing link between Frua and Riccobono (if there is one). 

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Re: PJ - 722
« Reply #65 on: April 28, 2016, 04:06:55 AM »
I spent a very long time Googling all over the place for info on this car, and actually found it in numerous places.
But it was always, without exception, described as a Frua Fiat 1100.  One site was quite detailed about it and described it as the first car designed by the great Pietro after he set up on his own; there was no mention of Revelli di Beaumont or Riccobono anywhere...

There is an awful lot of mis-information on the 'Net (and a little correct info too!) but I don't think I've ever looked for something which was so comprehensively described everywhere as something it doesn't seem to be...
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Re: PJ - 722
« Reply #66 on: April 28, 2016, 04:19:29 AM »
In Sannia's book about Fiat 1100 Fuoriserie, there is a picture of that car and I think the little logo below the turning signal is Frua's.
The article I have is quite long and detailed and the info provided came from Riccobono's son.
Revelli's involvment with Riccobono's Carrozzeria is proved by a rendering of Omnia-Motor-Auto's building signed by him and dated 1947.
I will contact Riccobono's son and see if he knows more.
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Re: PJ - 722
« Reply #67 on: April 28, 2016, 04:20:47 AM »
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Re: PJ - 722
« Reply #68 on: April 28, 2016, 04:24:02 AM »
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Re: PJ - 722
« Reply #69 on: April 28, 2016, 04:26:47 AM »
Let's call it a legitimate repost.  ;)
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Re: PJ - 722
« Reply #70 on: May 03, 2016, 07:12:07 AM »
Looking up info about Riccobono there is something on the 'Net about the car puzzled here:

http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/2014-43/sac621-fiat-508-c-1939-rebuild-in-1949-by-riccobono-and-design-by-revelli-de-bea/msg310132/#msg310132

where it is described (with a plaque at a show) as being by "Riccorzzata Antonio Riccobono".

What does "Riccorzzata" mean?
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Re: PJ - 722
« Reply #71 on: May 03, 2016, 07:28:50 AM »
"Ricarrozzata" means rebodied.
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Re: PJ - 722
« Reply #72 on: May 03, 2016, 07:56:41 AM »
Quote from: Paul Jaray on May 03, 2016, 07:28:50 AM
"Ricarrozzata" means rebodied.

Thanks.  Sorry, I couldn't read my own writing!  Riccarrozzata it was...
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Re: PJ - 722
« Reply #73 on: May 11, 2016, 08:08:54 AM »
I think it's time to move it.
I'll post here any further info, if available.
In the meantime, I'll merge them.
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