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Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
« Reply #50 on: May 03, 2011, 07:11:35 PM »
Wow!  Just as we have all been warned. Once a "fact" gets on enough websites, it is regarded as true.

I am otherwise short of pictures but I am going to take a guess:

Is it the 1956 Panhard Dyna Disco Volante driven by Giancarlo Rigamonti?

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Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
« Reply #51 on: May 03, 2011, 11:04:02 PM »
Wow!  Just as we have all been warned. Once a "fact" gets on enough websites, it is regarded as true.

I am otherwise short of pictures but I am going to take a guess:

Is it the 1956 Panhard Dyna Disco Volante driven by Giancarlo Rigamonti?
Not that one, sorry.
I'll unlock it now for any further guesses.

It's true that there are many untrue facts on the Internet and other sources should be checked first (if possible)

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Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
« Reply #52 on: May 08, 2011, 01:37:32 PM »
I'm going to add clues tonight for the unsolved ones.
You will see them on the first page where the results are listed.

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Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
« Reply #53 on: May 08, 2011, 05:56:35 PM »
#3 - I guess I've seen it while looking through Australian cars. No name was specified though. Still I have a reason to suppose it is under 1300cc.

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Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
« Reply #54 on: May 08, 2011, 06:21:51 PM »
#23 is a 1970 Heve P3

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Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
« Reply #55 on: May 08, 2011, 06:34:49 PM »
#16 - I can think of only Weber Special from GB, but there's still a difference is spelling from M.Webber...

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Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
« Reply #56 on: May 09, 2011, 02:36:44 AM »
#3 - I guess I've seen it while looking through Australian cars. No name was specified though. Still I have a reason to suppose it is under 1300cc.
It's not Australian but does have an engine less than 1000cc

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Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
« Reply #57 on: May 09, 2011, 02:37:32 AM »
#23 is a 1970 Heve P3
That's correct

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Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
« Reply #58 on: May 09, 2011, 02:42:15 AM »
#16 - I can think of only Weber Special from GB, but there's still a difference is spelling from M.Webber...
Yes that's the car.
I meant to say it is similar to the name of a current F1 driver - apologies for that.

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Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
« Reply #59 on: May 14, 2011, 03:59:06 PM »
Is #13 the ex-Barbier Peugeot 203 rebodied in 1955 by Carrosserie Bonnet in Alès for Paul Guirand, being driven at the 1956 Liège-Rome-Liège?

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Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
« Reply #60 on: May 14, 2011, 04:13:05 PM »
Not in that event and it's a smaller car

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Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
« Reply #61 on: May 15, 2011, 06:26:12 AM »
Not in that event and it's a smaller car

Panhard Dyna base again?

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Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
« Reply #62 on: May 15, 2011, 09:16:51 AM »
Not in that event and it's a smaller car

Panhard Dyna base again?
Yes - how did you guess that!  ;)

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Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
« Reply #63 on: May 16, 2011, 04:38:06 AM »
Is #13 a Panhard Dyna bodied by Plantivaux?

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Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
« Reply #64 on: May 16, 2011, 11:50:12 AM »
Is #13 a Panhard Dyna bodied by Plantivaux?
Not that one, sorry

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Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
« Reply #65 on: June 06, 2011, 04:41:08 PM »
Watch out for new clues in the coming days........

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Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
« Reply #66 on: June 07, 2011, 07:48:33 AM »
# 18: Sauter-DKW, CH,
Grand Prix Macao, 1959, 2. place, Driver Walter Sulke (Hongkong)

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Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
« Reply #67 on: June 07, 2011, 10:48:28 AM »
# 18: Sauter-DKW, CH,
Grand Prix Macao, 1959, 2. place, Driver Walter Sulke (Hongkong)
Faksta has already suggested that this is a Sauter-DKW which is not the name I have this one under.
It has a Sauter body though and did win a race in the Far East at a different venue, different year and different driver.
See my reply to Faksta below for a comparison of the cars.

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Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
« Reply #68 on: June 07, 2011, 10:56:47 AM »
You probably are looking for Brugger-DKW for #18? Brugger built chassis, Sauter made body, so both names are in use.
I can see what you mean - the car appears to have a Sauter body but is right-hand drive.
I don't know about the Brugger-DKW but the puzzle car is from the Far East and is named after a well-known German name with a model name 1000RS and dates from 1959.
Any more thoughts? I'll lock it for you anyway at the moment.
Faksta, I have just replied to siata1 regarding #18.
I think it would be good now to compare the Sauter-DKWs on the Sauter site with the puzzle car (original photo).

Two photos of the Sauter DKW and the original photo of #18.
Note a few differences - the puzzle car is right-hand drive, etc.


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Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
« Reply #69 on: June 07, 2011, 01:01:30 PM »
Indeed, but the body is surely Swiss.

Was it raced in Malaya?

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Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
« Reply #70 on: June 07, 2011, 02:05:50 PM »
Indeed, but the body is surely Swiss.

Was it raced in Malaya?
Yes it is a Sauter body.
It was pictured in a Malysian/Singapore event

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Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
« Reply #71 on: June 07, 2011, 04:01:05 PM »
Was it entered as Auto Union 1000 RS? 1960, Bill Wyllie? Johore GP?

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Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
« Reply #72 on: June 07, 2011, 04:58:39 PM »
Was it entered as Auto Union 1000 RS? 1960, Bill Wyllie? Johore GP?
Yes, that's exactly what I have.

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Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
« Reply #73 on: June 11, 2011, 05:50:27 PM »
#13 is a Panhard Gallas ( Tour de France 1954 )

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Re: MJW #370 - Sports Racing Part 3
« Reply #74 on: June 12, 2011, 11:11:40 AM »
#13 is a Panhard Gallas ( Tour de France 1954 )
That's the car.
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