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Re: Allemano's № 817
« Reply #50 on: July 20, 2012, 01:53:35 PM »
Well the bodywork looks the image of a Ferrari 250PF, so I wonder if someone has taken one of those and adapted it, which might be the Italian element?
So, does it have a British engine?

Edit:
But you did say the body wasn't Italian, so that can't be right can it..
Same question though: is the engine British?
Yes the engine is British. The builder was inspired by the shapes of a Ferrari 250.
He took the chassis of a worn-out Ferrari.

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Re: Allemano's № 817
« Reply #51 on: July 20, 2012, 01:53:54 PM »

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Re: Allemano's № 817
« Reply #52 on: July 20, 2012, 01:54:48 PM »
European bodywork?

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Re: Allemano's № 817
« Reply #53 on: July 20, 2012, 01:56:10 PM »

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Re: Allemano's № 817
« Reply #54 on: July 20, 2012, 01:58:49 PM »
From South Africa?

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Re: Allemano's № 817
« Reply #55 on: July 20, 2012, 02:02:08 PM »

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Re: Allemano's № 817
« Reply #56 on: July 20, 2012, 02:02:37 PM »
Any connection to Clemente Biondetti's Ferrari 166 with Jaguar engine?
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Re: Allemano's № 817
« Reply #57 on: July 20, 2012, 04:37:35 PM »
Actually one of my earlier questions (after eliminating North and South American) was going to be:

Was this car built in Australia?

I ask that because I've read about this car and the info is lurking somewhere in the depths of my mind, but recalling it is extremely difficult; I do seem to recall though that it wasn't European; am I right?
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Re: Allemano's № 817
« Reply #58 on: July 20, 2012, 05:50:35 PM »
Got it!
It's New Zealander Ferris de Joux's de Joux Special, AKA "Ferraguar".
I could see those BMC Farina rear lights so figured that if it wasn't the UK it just had to be Australia or New Zealand (NZ as it turns out)...

The Ferrari started out life as a 4.1/2 litre F1 racing car in the early 1950's, being raced by Taruffi and Froilan Gonzalez amongst others.  It arrived in New Zealand in 1955 and took part in the New Zealand Grand Prix in 1957, after which the engine was used to power a speedboat.  Ferris de Joux bought the chassis and spent two and a half years building the de Joux Special out of it, but decided on a 3.4 litre Jaguar engine as he thought that more suited to the character of the car.    The body was made out of glassfibre by de Joux himself, and he actually called it a Jaguar-Ferrari, reputedly hating the name "Ferraguar"!  He used the Pininfarina 250GT as inspiration for the shape and many parts from production vehicles were used, like the Austin A40 rear lights and rear bumper.
Apparently it took de Joux 2500 hours of work to complete this car!

Unfortunately the de Joux Special no longer exists.  The chassis has been used to recreate the original Formula 1 Ferrari and is in the collection of one Bernie Ecclestone..
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Re: Allemano's № 817
« Reply #59 on: July 21, 2012, 04:50:23 AM »
Well done Carnut, well done! :thumbsup:


A unique and fascinating car, again modified to pure boredom!  >:(

I'd like to see it in its original 'soft purple'.
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Re: Solved: Allemano's № 817 - Ferris de Joux' "Ferraguar"
« Reply #60 on: October 16, 2013, 07:53:05 AM »
and here it is:

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Re: Solved: Allemano's № 817 - Ferris de Joux' "Ferraguar"
« Reply #61 on: October 16, 2013, 10:14:50 AM »
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Re: Solved: Allemano's № 817 - Ferris de Joux' "Ferraguar"
« Reply #62 on: December 18, 2013, 02:02:13 PM »
+ one rare photo

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Re: Solved: Allemano's № 817 - Ferris de Joux' "Ferraguar"
« Reply #63 on: August 08, 2024, 04:40:43 PM »
The body shell of the car apparently still exists, but I much prefer the purple colour..
A Facebook page says it's only waiting for restoration...