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Solved: Allemano's № 784 - 1962 BMW 700/1500 "Mittelwagen"
« on: April 08, 2012, 04:18:32 AM »
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Re: Allemano's № 784
« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2012, 03:23:20 AM »
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Re: Allemano's № 784
« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2012, 03:31:57 AM »
BMW Michelotti?
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Re: Allemano's № 784
« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2012, 03:42:35 AM »
It's a BMW and there might be a Michelotti connection, but I'm not aware of it and my source doesn't mention the designer of this particular model.

I need the designation and what it was inofficially called.
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Re: Allemano's № 784
« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2012, 06:35:13 AM »
Michelotti was BMW design consultant back then, but wasn't directly involved in this project.
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Re: Allemano's № 784
« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2012, 04:41:45 PM »
It looks like a Michelotti design; a prototype for the BMW 1500?
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Re: Allemano's № 784
« Reply #6 on: April 18, 2012, 12:01:00 AM »
Quote from: Limo on April 17, 2012, 04:41:45 PM
It looks like a Michelotti design; a prototype for the BMW 1500?
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Re: Allemano's № 784
« Reply #7 on: April 23, 2012, 04:31:35 AM »
last chance for experts before I leave it to Professionals.
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Re: Allemano's № 784
« Reply #8 on: April 25, 2012, 05:35:35 AM »
It will be solved within 5 minutes I guess.
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Re: Allemano's № 784
« Reply #9 on: April 25, 2012, 06:12:58 AM »
Prototype BMW 1300 1958 by Alexander Von Falkenhausen ?
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Re: Allemano's № 784
« Reply #10 on: April 25, 2012, 06:26:13 AM »
Quote from: SACO on April 25, 2012, 06:12:58 AM
Prototype BMW 1300 1958 by Alexander Von Falkenhausen ?
No
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Re: Allemano's № 784
« Reply #11 on: April 25, 2012, 09:22:05 AM »
It looks rather more like the smaller BMW 700 to me, with those front indicators, the side rubbing strip and those bumpers, although it has a grille which is perhaps a dummy.

Anything to do with the 700?
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Re: Allemano's № 784
« Reply #12 on: April 25, 2012, 09:34:14 AM »
Quote from: Carnut on April 25, 2012, 09:22:05 AM
Anything to do with the 700?
Yes! Now put all bits together and you should find the solution...
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Re: Allemano's № 784
« Reply #13 on: April 25, 2012, 11:06:35 AM »
I think this should be the first (dark) Hofmeister prototype, intended to be a 1000ccm engined car.
It shared the 700´s roof pavillion and had this clear horizontal grille.

The second (white) 1300ccm Hofmeister car had the well known "Hofmeister-Knick", the typical C-pillar shaped like most of the following BMW´s. The second prototype had the two elements of the 507 grille.
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Re: Allemano's № 784
« Reply #14 on: April 25, 2012, 11:12:50 AM »
Actually I don't know..
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Re: Allemano's № 784
« Reply #15 on: April 25, 2012, 11:14:10 AM »
Is this another of the prototypes for the BMW 1000, similar to your one last year by Wolfgang Denzel?

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Whilst I was typing this grobmotorix actually modified his post rather than posting a new one, so your answer refers to the question he asked before, not what it says now...
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Re: Allemano's № 784
« Reply #16 on: April 25, 2012, 11:16:19 AM »
Yes, it should be the first 1000ccm Hofmneister prototype as I´ve written before. I´ve found two more photos of it in an 1987 prototype magazine.
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Re: Allemano's № 784
« Reply #17 on: April 25, 2012, 11:19:33 AM »
Quote from: Carnut on April 25, 2012, 11:14:10 AM
Is this another of the prototypes for the BMW 1000, similar to your one last year by Wolfgang Denzel?
No. It's already told here what it was supposed to be. What I need is the name of this particular car and its quite plausible »moniker«.
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Re: Allemano's № 784
« Reply #18 on: April 25, 2012, 11:24:08 AM »
Quote from: grobmotorix on April 25, 2012, 11:06:35 AM
I think this should be the first (dark) Hofmeister prototype, intended to be a 1000ccm engined car.
It shared the 700´s roof pavillion and had this clear horizontal grille.

The second (white) 1300ccm Hofmeister car had the well known "Hofmeister-Knick", the typical C-pillar shaped like most of the following BMW´s. The second prototype had the two elements of the 507 grille.
It's not easy to follow you Monsieur! ;)

Now we're getting somewhere. It's indeed one of the first Hofmeister cars above the BMW 700 series, but wasn't a 1500, yet, so, what was it called?
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Re: Allemano's № 784
« Reply #19 on: April 25, 2012, 11:27:26 AM »
In my source it has no name. It is only called a 1000ccm prototype, done by Hofmeister and here´s the photo:
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Re: Allemano's № 784
« Reply #20 on: April 25, 2012, 11:34:53 AM »
Schrader has it as a 1300 cc prototype from 1959/60, based on a BMW 700, still mentioning no name
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Re: Allemano's № 784
« Reply #21 on: April 25, 2012, 11:41:20 AM »
I took my pic from a book. It's captioned » BMW _ _ _ /_ _ _ _    "_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _" (year) «

The car you've posted seems to be the one with the 507 nose.
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Re: Allemano's № 784
« Reply #22 on: April 25, 2012, 11:43:13 AM »
Quote from: Wendax on April 25, 2012, 11:34:53 AM
Schrader has it as a 1300 cc prototype from 1959/60, based on a BMW 700, still mentioning no name
I do not have it from the Schrader book and have it few years later*.
Maybe I stumbled (again) on a rotten source..? We shall see!

*maybe that's already a hint to a incorrect info.
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Re: Allemano's № 784
« Reply #23 on: April 25, 2012, 11:47:41 AM »
O.K., It seems to be the Richter-Brohm 1600 prototype with the GP-HT 32 licence plate.

I´ll show the second Hofmeister-prototype in some minutes.
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Re: Allemano's № 784
« Reply #24 on: April 25, 2012, 11:52:14 AM »
Here´s the second Hofmeister car, just to show it:
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