Author Topic: Siata 1250 GTZ, ca.1958  (Read 903 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline grobmotorix

  • Professional
  • *
  • Posts: 15119
  • Country: de
  • Puzzle Points 457
  • Please play fair guys
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
    • My car photography
Siata 1250 GTZ, ca.1958
« on: October 07, 2012, 03:01:42 PM »
Who knows this car?

(picture changed because of another double post...)
« Last Edit: August 18, 2014, 05:25:25 PM by grobmotorix »

Offline grobmotorix

  • Professional
  • *
  • Posts: 15119
  • Country: de
  • Puzzle Points 457
  • Please play fair guys
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
    • My car photography
Re: grob 2012_10_07 (04)
« Reply #1 on: October 10, 2012, 04:34:25 PM »
A new start with a new pic...

Offline richard fridd

  • Expert
  • *
  • Posts: 1064
  • Country: gb
  • Puzzle Points 77
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: grob 2012_10_07 (04)
« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2012, 02:04:10 PM »
Fiat 8V zagato?
Lancia Motor Club

Offline grobmotorix

  • Professional
  • *
  • Posts: 15119
  • Country: de
  • Puzzle Points 457
  • Please play fair guys
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
    • My car photography
Re: grob 2012_10_07 (04)
« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2012, 04:43:38 PM »
No.

Offline grobmotorix

  • Professional
  • *
  • Posts: 15119
  • Country: de
  • Puzzle Points 457
  • Please play fair guys
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
    • My car photography
Re: grob 2012_10_07 (04)
« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2012, 05:34:37 AM »
Up!

Offline frederick59

  • Expert
  • *
  • Posts: 2582
  • Country: fr
  • Puzzle Points 172
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: grob 2012_10_07 (04)
« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2012, 06:46:25 AM »
Volvo base?

Offline grobmotorix

  • Professional
  • *
  • Posts: 15119
  • Country: de
  • Puzzle Points 457
  • Please play fair guys
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
    • My car photography
Re: grob 2012_10_07 (04)
« Reply #6 on: October 14, 2012, 06:47:13 AM »
Nice idea, but no - this one is purely italian.

Offline als15

  • Expert
  • *
  • Posts: 2662
  • Country: it
  • Puzzle Points 196
  • Fiat Author
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
    • Societā Editrice Il Cammello
Re: grob 2012_10_07 (04)
« Reply #7 on: October 14, 2012, 07:02:46 AM »
Zagato 1100 GTZ?

Offline grobmotorix

  • Professional
  • *
  • Posts: 15119
  • Country: de
  • Puzzle Points 457
  • Please play fair guys
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
    • My car photography
Re: grob 2012_10_07 (04)
« Reply #8 on: October 14, 2012, 07:07:07 AM »
It is a Zagato GTZ, yes.

But which brand and engine capacity?

Locked for you!

Offline als15

  • Expert
  • *
  • Posts: 2662
  • Country: it
  • Puzzle Points 196
  • Fiat Author
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
    • Societā Editrice Il Cammello
Re: grob 2012_10_07 (04)
« Reply #9 on: October 14, 2012, 07:08:29 AM »
But not a Fiat? So perhaps an early Alfa 1900 GTZ?

Offline grobmotorix

  • Professional
  • *
  • Posts: 15119
  • Country: de
  • Puzzle Points 457
  • Please play fair guys
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
    • My car photography
Re: LOCKED or als15: grob 2012_10_07 (04)
« Reply #10 on: October 14, 2012, 07:09:15 AM »
The brand is not Fiat and not Alfa.

Offline als15

  • Expert
  • *
  • Posts: 2662
  • Country: it
  • Puzzle Points 196
  • Fiat Author
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
    • Societā Editrice Il Cammello
Re: LOCKED or als15: grob 2012_10_07 (04)
« Reply #11 on: October 14, 2012, 07:26:19 AM »
Last guess. If not, feel free to unlock.
There has been also a Lancia Aurelia Zagato. Is it?

Offline grobmotorix

  • Professional
  • *
  • Posts: 15119
  • Country: de
  • Puzzle Points 457
  • Please play fair guys
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
    • My car photography
Re: LOCKED or als15: grob 2012_10_07 (04)
« Reply #12 on: October 14, 2012, 07:34:52 AM »
No.

Unlocked again.

It is not this hard, btw...

Offline thorax

  • Expert
  • *
  • Posts: 4820
  • Country: it
  • Puzzle Points 393
  • AutoPuzzles
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: grob 2012_10_07 (04)
« Reply #13 on: October 14, 2012, 09:12:16 AM »
Siata 1250 GTZ?
FRIUL LIBAR

Offline richard fridd

  • Expert
  • *
  • Posts: 1064
  • Country: gb
  • Puzzle Points 77
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: grob 2012_10_07 (04)
« Reply #14 on: October 14, 2012, 10:53:24 AM »
Fiat Siata 1250 GTZ?
« Last Edit: October 14, 2012, 10:57:07 AM by richard fridd »
Lancia Motor Club

Offline grobmotorix

  • Professional
  • *
  • Posts: 15119
  • Country: de
  • Puzzle Points 457
  • Please play fair guys
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
    • My car photography
Re: grob 2012_10_07 (04)
« Reply #15 on: October 14, 2012, 11:47:41 AM »
Thorax was first and this is his point.

Offline als15

  • Expert
  • *
  • Posts: 2662
  • Country: it
  • Puzzle Points 196
  • Fiat Author
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
    • Societā Editrice Il Cammello
Re: Siata 1250 GTZ, ca.1958
« Reply #16 on: October 14, 2012, 11:50:30 AM »
 >:(
Frankly speaking, I think you have been slightly misleading saying it's not a Fiat 1100: it's basically the same car.

Offline grobmotorix

  • Professional
  • *
  • Posts: 15119
  • Country: de
  • Puzzle Points 457
  • Please play fair guys
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
    • My car photography
Re: Siata 1250 GTZ, ca.1958
« Reply #17 on: October 14, 2012, 11:54:36 AM »
Sorry for that. I didnīt know about the technical basis of this car.

And I do not think itīs been declared Fiat Siata or Siata Fiat, but just Siata.

Offline richard fridd

  • Expert
  • *
  • Posts: 1064
  • Country: gb
  • Puzzle Points 77
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: Siata 1250 GTZ, ca.1958
« Reply #18 on: October 14, 2012, 03:52:18 PM »
According to my book Zagato by author Michele Marchiano page 110 credits the model as I stated earlier.the text states Leo Pittoni's Fiat Siata 1250 racing to victory in the 1958 Coppa della Consuma
« Last Edit: October 15, 2012, 01:06:52 AM by richard fridd »
Lancia Motor Club

Offline thorax

  • Expert
  • *
  • Posts: 4820
  • Country: it
  • Puzzle Points 393
  • AutoPuzzles
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
Re: Siata 1250 GTZ, ca.1958
« Reply #19 on: October 14, 2012, 05:03:54 PM »
>:(
Frankly speaking, I think you have been slightly misleading saying it's not a Fiat 1100: it's basically the same car.

I think so.
FRIUL LIBAR

Offline als15

  • Expert
  • *
  • Posts: 2662
  • Country: it
  • Puzzle Points 196
  • Fiat Author
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
    • Societā Editrice Il Cammello
Re: Siata 1250 GTZ, ca.1958
« Reply #20 on: October 15, 2012, 03:31:43 AM »
Just to make cleare the connection between the brands (and without any disappointment for the point  ;)).

The base car is a Fiat 1100/103 D (1957 edition).
Siata was responsible for tuning the engine, increasing also the displacement to 1250 cc.
Zagato made the aluminum body (styled by Giovanni Michelotti).
Siata itself sold some of them under the name "Siata 1250 GT".
Zagato too sold some of them (with almost the same body, apart from minor details) under the name Fiat 1100 GTZ or Siata 1250 GTZ wether having them the regular or the tuned engine.


Offline grobmotorix

  • Professional
  • *
  • Posts: 15119
  • Country: de
  • Puzzle Points 457
  • Please play fair guys
  • YearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYearsYears
    • My car photography
Re: Siata 1250 GTZ, ca.1958
« Reply #21 on: October 15, 2012, 11:41:54 AM »
O.K., thank you. I do not have those precise sources.