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Solved - MJW #904 - Verga Chiasso 1956
« on: April 22, 2012, 03:15:10 AM »
I know this has appeared in a group puzzle before but not as a separate one.
So for a point identify the make, model, base car and the year.
« Last Edit: May 08, 2012, 12:53:31 AM by woodinsight »

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Re: MJW #904
« Reply #1 on: April 29, 2012, 02:59:10 PM »
Movin' on up...

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Re: MJW #904
« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2012, 01:07:43 AM »
based on a Karmann-Ghia?

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Re: MJW #904
« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2012, 07:27:01 AM »
It is VW-based and judging by it's relative size it may well be based on a Karmann-Ghia (I don't have that detail)

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Re: MJW #904
« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2012, 10:37:53 AM »
Enzmann?

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Re: MJW #904
« Reply #5 on: May 05, 2012, 02:18:12 PM »
Enzmann?
Not Enzmann and I believe this may be a 'one-off'

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Re: MJW #904
« Reply #6 on: May 07, 2012, 11:42:41 AM »
At first I thought this was a Vergo, a one-off based on a Beetle-chassis by the Swiss brothers Vergo in 1956. But the info I have is that only build a coupé version with gullwingdoors (see photos). Could this be the same Vergo converted into a roadster? Or did they make more than one? I'm curious to be honest ...

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Re: MJW #904
« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2012, 12:13:32 PM »
It is in fact from the Vergo brothers, claimed to be built in 1956.  They made two of them, one the gullwing, the other the mystery car.

On MJW #904, the windshield and front doors lift up and to the rear to allow entry to the car.

Previously identified here as a Vergo Chiasso 1956, based on a VW Beetle.

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Re: MJW #904
« Reply #8 on: May 07, 2012, 12:25:54 PM »
Further information on the gullwing model, from a Google translation:

The history of this car is just as extraordinary as his looks! This car was used in fact to the smuggling of auto spare parts and especially bearings of trucks, at a time when tariffs were higher than at present. She was seized in 1959!

The cache has laid off about this is very surprising since the four corners of the vehicle are four cylinders that lift the frame to a height of about 40 cm revealing contraband. The whole thing works on 6 volt circuit. and unfortunately the connection of a 12V battery has burned a portion of the lifting system which is now obsolete.

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Re: MJW #904
« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2012, 01:40:38 PM »
Vergo Chiasso 1956 based on a VW chassis is correct.
So one point to Delorean for identifying the make, year and base and supplying photos of the coupe version.
I'm also giving a point to sixtee5cuda for identifying the model and for supplying the extra information.
I hope this is satisfactory for you both........

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Re: Solved - MJW #904 - Vergo Chiasso 1956
« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2012, 01:46:35 PM »
You wanna be the man, you gotta Name That Car!

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Re: Solved - MJW #904 - Vergo Chiasso 1956
« Reply #11 on: May 07, 2012, 01:48:41 PM »
VERGA or VERGO?
Can someone confirm?

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Re: Solved - MJW #904 - Vergo Chiasso 1956
« Reply #12 on: May 07, 2012, 04:08:01 PM »
I'm sure that it's called Verga. That VW specials page got it wrong. Google "Carrozzeria Verga" and you'll find a result to confirm. ;)

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Re: Solved - MJW #904 - Vergo Chiasso 1956
« Reply #13 on: May 08, 2012, 12:51:52 AM »
I'm sure that it's called Verga. That VW specials page got it wrong. Google "Carrozzeria Verga" and you'll find a result to confirm. ;)
Thanks Allemano,
I had it as Verga before and wanted to confirm that was correct.

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Re: Solved - MJW #904 - Verga Chiasso 1956
« Reply #14 on: May 08, 2012, 03:16:39 AM »
Even the owner makes a mistake  ???

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Re: Solved - MJW #904 - Verga Chiasso 1956
« Reply #15 on: May 08, 2012, 04:53:48 AM »
Even the owner makes a mistake  ???
This is why accuracy is very important otherwise these mistakes will be repeated again and again in the future.
Never believe websites, books and what owners tell you without checking first!

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Re: Solved - MJW #904 - Verga Chiasso 1956
« Reply #16 on: May 12, 2012, 04:26:09 PM »
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Re: Solved - MJW #904 - Verga Chiasso 1956
« Reply #17 on: May 12, 2012, 04:49:07 PM »
pictures of two Verga

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Re: Solved - MJW #904 - Verga Chiasso 1956
« Reply #18 on: May 12, 2012, 05:04:29 PM »
Actually,that's the same car...in your 2nd pic someone 'photoshopped' away the logo from the front and from the wheel covers. I have the unmodified pic with the same plate too.

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Re: Solved - MJW #904 - Verga Chiasso 1956
« Reply #19 on: May 12, 2012, 10:01:13 PM »
The mislabeled "Vergo" descriptive text a couple of images back, discusses the use of the gullwing car as a smuggling device.

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Re: Solved - MJW #904 - Verga Chiasso 1956
« Reply #20 on: May 12, 2012, 10:54:03 PM »
Smuggling spare auto parts for Italian cars from France to Spain?  Is my piss-poor interpretation accurate?

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Re: Solved - MJW #904 - Verga Chiasso 1956
« Reply #21 on: May 12, 2012, 11:22:27 PM »
I typed it into Google Translate once, read it, and threw it away.  Sorry.  Your translation isn't too far off.


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Re: Solved - MJW #904 - Verga Chiasso 1956
« Reply #22 on: May 04, 2016, 11:00:41 PM »
A small contemporary article
https://rareandunique.media - Rare&Unique Vehicles magazine
http://magyarjarmu.hu - detailed Hungarian motoring history (Hungarian language)
http://automuseums.info - motoring museums' guide

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Re: Solved - MJW #904 - Verga Chiasso 1956
« Reply #23 on: May 05, 2016, 03:58:15 AM »
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