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Solved: Allemano's № 775 - 1968 Hayes Brothers Special
« on: March 19, 2012, 04:49:59 AM »
Tell me the base of this car, the nickname, the well known man behind that project
and the driver who baptisted this car according to some other source...  ;)
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Re: Allemano's № 775
« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2012, 09:18:05 AM »
Moved.

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Re: Allemano's № 775
« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2012, 03:45:20 PM »
USA : Hayes Brothers Special 1968

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Re: Allemano's № 775
« Reply #3 on: March 31, 2012, 03:46:05 AM »
Base: Cooper Monaco modified by Ed (must have meant Bob) McKee with a 333 Traco Chevy, and a Troutman and Barnes body

Nickname:  The "Honker"

Man behind the project: Built for Roger Ward

Baptising Driver:  I'm guessing Paul Newman (if not Claude Hayes)
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Re: Allemano's № 775
« Reply #4 on: April 01, 2012, 08:27:37 AM »
I have this car on a different HD which I haven't temporarily at hand, so please be a little patient on this.

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Re: Allemano's № 775
« Reply #5 on: April 04, 2012, 03:03:33 AM »
I guess there's a wrong picture on a source which is named
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"Honker", a McKee - Traco Chevy
, but after some searching it's probably the Hayes Bros. Special as it appears on the unveiled picture: (the 'Honker' looks definetely different)


I give a point to M630, but will be open for other suggestions which might correct me.

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Re: Solved: Allemano's № 775 - 1968 Hayes Brothers Special
« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2012, 10:57:22 PM »
I think the two pics above are the same car.

Jim Hayes on his "Archives" website said of the red car in the photo and several other photos of it:  "My brother in the "Honker", a McKee - Traco Chevy - Troutman Barnes body, built (but never finished) for Roger Ward"

Jim Hayes further elaborated on it in an email or response:  "The BOP aluminum V8 probably holds the record for the most varied engine swaps due to its light weight and small size. Worked great in Lotus 19s and Cooper Monacos - started the movement that became the USRRC and CanAM. In fact we (my brother and I) owned a Cooper Monaco modified by Ed McKee for Roger Ward with a 333 Traco Chev and an aluminum body by Troutman Barnes."

There was another Can-Am car called the "Honker" and a second "Honker II", both by Holman and Moody for Mario Andretti neither of which has any relation to the Hayes' "Honker".
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Re: Solved: Allemano's № 775 - 1968 Hayes Brothers Special
« Reply #7 on: April 08, 2012, 09:24:05 PM »
After looking a little more, it was probably called the Hayes Brothers Special by the race organizers and the like, but it looks like the Hayes brothers nicknamed it the "Honker" amongst themselves.  But the actual name of the car wasn't part the original question, it was only the nickname you were after?

As far as the baptising driver, it may have been Jim Hayes, not Claude, as Jim was the one who finished building it and may have driven it before Claude got strapped in.  But I haven't found any other references to the first driver for the car...

Allemano:  Any word on the other parts of the puzzle's original request?
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Re: Solved: Allemano's № 775 - 1968 Hayes Brothers Special
« Reply #8 on: April 09, 2012, 04:35:28 AM »
After looking a little more, it was probably called the Hayes Brothers Special by the race organizers and the like, but it looks like the Hayes brothers nicknamed it the "Honker" amongst themselves.  But the actual name of the car wasn't part the original question, it was only the nickname you were after?

As far as the baptising driver, it may have been Jim Hayes, not Claude, as Jim was the one who finished building it and may have driven it before Claude got strapped in.  But I haven't found any other references to the first driver for the car...

Allemano:  Any word on the other parts of the puzzle's original request?
Hi streamliner,
I have to admit that I first misunderstood the source in question, but after some searching I think the particular car isn't the "Honker" (which is shown on the 3rd pic I suppose).
So, all of the other requests were redundant. I should have change the initial post, though.
Apologize!

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Re: Solved: Allemano's № 775 - 1968 Hayes Brothers Special
« Reply #9 on: April 10, 2012, 12:33:22 AM »
Well, I went straight to the builder of the car, Jim Hayes.  He's a true gentleman and I'm honored to have heard the stories he shared.  In regards to the No. 3 car, it is a Cooper Monaco, built in 1966 for Roger Ward before he retired from racing.  So it never got finished until Jim and his brother Claude bought and finished it.  He put in more hours than anyone would care to venture.  He built the manifolds, windshield, brakes, etc.  It had one of the very first McKee transaxles with no reverse.  It weighed 1400lbs with 450 horsepower!

Of the three races it participated in, it only finished its last race at Huntsville.  Claude thought the car was scary fast and didn't want to get back in.  Wise.  The front end created too much lift, with the openings for brake cooling much too large.  Jim was an aerodynamicist and added a full chin spoiler and winglets on the sides of the front like the GT40's.  It was then good for 140-150mph, about as fast as you'd go on the tracks it would race on.

It got its "Honker" nickname from Claude's good ol' southern saying "it would honk!", meaning it was scary fast.  100mph in 1st gear!

It was sold about 6 months after its last race to Chuck Haynes who campaigned in in SCCA A competitions and still owns it to this day, as far as Jim knows.

I've got to say that I've met some great legends in automotive history and heard some priceless stories from some of the best storytellers of our time - THANKS to Autopuzzles.  In researching these cars in the puzzles, you'll find that each car has a great story to tell and who's a better source than the guy or girl who built it.  Usually these folks are just as excited telling how these cars came to be and love sharing their history.  I know we spend probably way too much time on the web searching for answers, but if you pick up the phone, or even e-mail, every now and then, you'll most likely be richly rewarded...