Author Topic: Puzzle #215 -Solved! Rayton Fissore Gold Shadow (Read 3052 times)

Otto Puzzell · « **on:** February 09, 2007, 05:18:32 AM »

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GRAYWOLF · « **Reply #1 on:** February 09, 2007, 09:15:59 AM »

compact Pacer!

Otto Puzzell · « **Reply #2 on:** February 09, 2007, 10:20:32 AM »

Nope.

Rich · « **Reply #3 on:** February 09, 2007, 06:10:06 PM »

Entry-level Porsche 928. This was an easy one. Sheesh.

Otto Puzzell · « **Reply #4 on:** February 10, 2007, 03:01:22 AM »

Nope.

hugo90 · « **Reply #5 on:** February 16, 2007, 02:27:48 PM »

Dacon from Brasil.

SeaLion · « **Reply #6 on:** February 16, 2007, 07:43:30 PM »

It is the italian Rayton Fissore Gold Shadow, which was produced from 1978 to 1980 (Porsche 928 debuted in 1977). The Gold Shadow was based on the Autobianchi A112 (48 bhp) or the A112 Abarth (70 bhp). The car had 4 seats and the weight was 760 kg.

Carnut · « **Reply #7 on:** April 06, 2012, 06:52:51 AM »

What's this and from when does it date, for 1 point?

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moltogatto · « **Reply #8 on:** April 06, 2012, 04:07:17 PM »

Rayton Fissore Gold Shadow

Carnut · « **Reply #9 on:** April 07, 2012, 09:48:40 AM »

Quote from: moltogatto on April 06, 2012, 04:07:17 PM

Rayton Fissore Gold Shadow

Logically, yes, but that has been puzzled before.
It also appeared under a different name, which is the one I want in this puzzle!

jrpola · « **Reply #10 on:** April 07, 2012, 12:00:05 PM »

Turin Salon 1978, other name???

Carnut · « **Reply #11 on:** April 07, 2012, 01:29:59 PM »

Quote from: jrpola on April 07, 2012, 12:00:05 PM

Turin Salon 1978, other name???

It was a bit later than that.
Same body - different name.

Carnut · « **Reply #12 on:** April 13, 2012, 05:18:29 AM »

Experts?

hondast · « **Reply #13 on:** April 13, 2012, 05:46:17 AM »

SEAT Guapa '81?

Carnut · « **Reply #14 on:** April 13, 2012, 06:09:27 AM »

Quote from: hondast on April 13, 2012, 05:46:17 AM

SEAT Guapa '81?

Yes, that's what I was looking for!
Was it just a mule for the new Ibiza or was such a model actually available?

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Otto Puzzell · « **Reply #15 on:** April 13, 2012, 06:17:16 AM »

Interesting how they took their car to the same place that the most commonly seen picture of the Rayton Fissore Gold Shadow was taken. Other than the shop rags over the wheels, I'd swear it's the same pic.

Delorean · « **Reply #16 on:** April 13, 2012, 06:17:40 AM »

I also have it as a Rayton Fissore Gold Shadow ; I have no doubt thas this Seat Guapa exists (or existed), but are you sure this is a picture of it?

jrpola · « **Reply #17 on:** April 13, 2012, 07:49:23 AM »

The pictures is by original Brochure of Gold Shadow by Rayton fissore, not Seat Guapa. look!

Carnut · « **Reply #18 on:** April 13, 2012, 08:08:50 AM »

Think perhaps it was a Rayton Fissore Gold Shadow that was acquired by SEAT and re-badged for their use, even to the extent of using the original photos...?

I know it is the same picture that also appears captioned as a Gold Shadow, but it's the only picture I have been able to find (on a couple of different sites) of a 'SEAT Guapa'. It may well be the only one that was ever badged as such? But, of course, I'm only guessing... Maybe someone knows the right answer?

als15 · « **Reply #19 on:** April 13, 2012, 08:14:26 AM »

A few considerations: at that time Fissore was strictly involved in Seat design. Both the Ronda and the Malaga would have been styled by Fissore. On the ohter hand, it was the time Seat was moving away from Fiat and to survive (before Volkswagen's involvement) they were considering a lot of different initiatives.
I don't think the Guapa has any relation with the Ibiza (older, smaller) but perhaps it was considered as a possible evolution of the 127 out of Fiat orbit, but still using the same platform (that was allowed by their contract).

Delorean · « **Reply #20 on:** April 13, 2012, 08:27:29 AM »

So was there an actual "Seat Guapa' build or not?

Carnut · « **Reply #21 on:** April 13, 2012, 09:37:33 AM »

Quote from: Delorean on April 13, 2012, 08:27:29 AM

So was there an actual "Seat Guapa' build or not?

Who knows the answer? Not me.
I suspect that they needed a car with similar wheelbase/dimensions to use as a mule for Ibiza development, and this fitted the bill so they acquired it and rebadged it to fool everyone then fitted SEAT Ibiza underpinnings. But this is pure conjecture.
Has anyone ever heard of a SEAT Guapa being available on the market? Not me!

The alternative might be that they acquired it with a view to developing it into the SEAT Guapa to market, avoiding having to engineer a car from scratch, but then decided not to proceed with it.

Someone, somewhere knows the truth!

Allemano · « **Reply #22 on:** April 13, 2012, 11:28:14 AM »

I guess possibly thewarlord knows the answer!

Otto Puzzell · « **Reply #23 on:** April 14, 2012, 05:48:47 AM »

Whether or not another company said they would build one, it's the same picture of the same car.

Merged.

Carnut · « **Reply #24 on:** April 14, 2012, 11:23:02 AM »

Quote from: Otto Puzzell on April 14, 2012, 05:48:47 AM

Whether or not another company said they would build one, it's the same picture of the same car.

Merged.

Right. Hopefully one of our experts on the Spanish motor industry can help us with the full correct story? Hondast? Others?

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Author Topic: Puzzle #215 -Solved! Rayton Fissore Gold Shadow (Read 3052 times)