Author Topic: Barrett's #306 - Solved - 'Steady' Barker's Lancia 'short' Astura special 1934/ 1953  (Read 726 times)

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For a point please tell me who built this car, when and what he called it, and also the make, model and year of the base car.

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Re: Barrett's #306
« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2012, 10:49:12 AM »
Experts?

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Re: Barrett's #306
« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2012, 06:00:50 AM »
Lancia?
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Re: Barrett's #306
« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2012, 06:17:45 AM »
Yes, that's the easiest piece of the puzzle!

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Re: Barrett's #306
« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2012, 01:29:27 PM »
Maybe Lancia-Paganelli?
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Re: Barrett's #306
« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2012, 04:20:55 PM »
Not that one

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Re: Barrett's #306
« Reply #6 on: July 17, 2012, 07:08:36 AM »
Just a brief spell in expert-land... Surely a Pro will have this one solved in no time?

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Re: Barrett's #306
« Reply #7 on: July 17, 2012, 07:17:43 AM »
Just a thought - it's not the re-bodied Lamgia originally built by Dr. Kennedy of St. Albans?
That was Lancia-based with MG mechanicals.

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Re: Barrett's #306
« Reply #8 on: July 17, 2012, 07:19:55 AM »
Not that one - this is all Lancia underneath

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Re: Barrett's #306
« Reply #9 on: July 17, 2012, 07:40:50 AM »
Jack Walton drove a Lancia in 1955 against various sportscars, which makes me think that was a special. Maybe this is it?

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Re: Barrett's #306
« Reply #10 on: July 17, 2012, 08:07:45 AM »
I've not heard that name in connection to this car at all, he's certainly not the builder and I don't think it was ever campaigned by anyone other than the chap who put it together

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Re: Barrett's #306
« Reply #11 on: July 17, 2012, 08:22:09 AM »
But it still looks British to me...

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Re: Barrett's #306
« Reply #12 on: July 17, 2012, 08:26:35 AM »
Yes, it is British!

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Re: Barrett's #306
« Reply #13 on: July 17, 2012, 09:47:10 AM »
Lancia Astura rebuilt in 1950 ?

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Re: Barrett's #306
« Reply #14 on: July 17, 2012, 09:50:03 AM »
Lancia Astura YES! A little later than 1950 though

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Re: Barrett's #306
« Reply #15 on: July 17, 2012, 12:25:01 PM »
Hurst Special?

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Re: Barrett's #306
« Reply #16 on: July 17, 2012, 02:32:05 PM »
Not that. It was created by a well known name...

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Re: Barrett's #306
« Reply #17 on: July 17, 2012, 04:12:30 PM »
By Ron ‘Steady’ Barker’s  and his  short-wheel-base special “short-Arstura" ?

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Re: Barrett's #306
« Reply #18 on: July 17, 2012, 04:29:50 PM »
By Ron ‘Steady’ Barker’s  and his  short-wheel-base special “short-Arstura" ?
I think he's got it!
T'was also known as the Costalotti.
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Re: Barrett's #306
« Reply #19 on: July 17, 2012, 04:41:50 PM »
By Ron ‘Steady’ Barker’s  and his  short-wheel-base special “short-Arstura" ?

That's the one!

Can you complete the answer for the point...

Ronald ‘Steady’ Barker’s Lancia 'Short' Astura, built in 19XX and based on a 19XX Astura

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Re: Barrett's #306
« Reply #20 on: July 17, 2012, 05:06:52 PM »
Ron Barker special based on a 1934 saloon
and rebuilt in 1955 ?

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Re: Barrett's #306
« Reply #21 on: July 17, 2012, 07:29:09 PM »
I actually have the date of the new car as 1953, but 1934 is the right year for the chassis and I think you're close enough for the point. Well done, I don't think this one was that easy to be honest.

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May I point out that, as SACO wrote, Steady called it the "short-ars tura" for reasons obvious to native English-speakers!
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Shouldn't this be moved to the Solved section?

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ah, my mistake!

As for the 'short as/ ars-tura', my (British) source was obviously much too polite to report it as such (or they just didn't 'get it') so I'll leave the topic title as-is for the time being, it contains enough components for this to show up on a search I think...