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Title: Engine Ennui #259 - Lorraine-DiƩtrich engine, 1909
Post by: Otto Puzzell on July 07, 2012, 05:07:07 AM
For one point: identify the this engine's maker, and the year.  

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Title: Re: Engine Ennui #259
Post by: Otto Puzzell on July 14, 2012, 02:57:20 AM
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Title: Re: Engine Ennui #259
Post by: Craig Gillingham on July 17, 2012, 12:28:04 AM
I think it's a T head engine, it looks American, is it a Locomobile?
Title: Re: Engine Ennui #259
Post by: Otto Puzzell on July 17, 2012, 04:13:16 AM
It is not a Locomobile unit
Title: Re: Engine Ennui #259
Post by: Craig Gillingham on July 17, 2012, 06:04:59 AM
I don't think I'm too far out. Marmon?
Title: Re: Engine Ennui #259
Post by: Otto Puzzell on July 17, 2012, 06:07:09 AM
No sir.
Title: Re: Engine Ennui #259
Post by: Craig Gillingham on July 18, 2012, 07:28:09 AM
Is the flywheel with built in fan blades relevant to the engine? or just the way it was designed.
Title: Re: Engine Ennui #259
Post by: Otto Puzzell on July 18, 2012, 11:08:50 AM
Not sure if those are blades, or just spokes. The manufacturers information doesn't specify.
Title: Re: Engine Ennui #259
Post by: RayTheRat on July 18, 2012, 01:26:04 PM
Wisconsin T-head 4-banger?
Title: Re: Engine Ennui #259
Post by: Otto Puzzell on July 18, 2012, 01:55:15 PM
Not one of those...
Title: Re: Engine Ennui #259
Post by: Otto Puzzell on July 26, 2012, 03:24:27 AM
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Title: Re: Engine Ennui #259
Post by: Tom_I on July 26, 2012, 05:32:55 AM
It has what looks like a small compressor on the inlet side, but nothing I immediately recognise as a carburettor. Is it an early diesel engine?
Title: Re: Engine Ennui #259
Post by: Otto Puzzell on July 26, 2012, 05:34:13 AM
Not a diesel
Title: Re: Engine Ennui #259
Post by: Tom_I on July 26, 2012, 05:57:24 AM
That's my theory shot to pieces.  :-[

Earlier answers seem to have assumed that it's American. Is it?
Title: Re: Engine Ennui #259
Post by: Otto Puzzell on July 26, 2012, 06:05:45 AM
It is not American
Title: Re: Engine Ennui #259
Post by: Tom_I on July 26, 2012, 06:16:47 AM
Ah. My first thought was that it was German. Is that right?
Title: Re: Engine Ennui #259
Post by: Otto Puzzell on July 26, 2012, 09:43:09 AM
No
Title: Re: Engine Ennui #259
Post by: Craig Gillingham on July 26, 2012, 09:52:34 AM
Italian?
Title: Re: Engine Ennui #259
Post by: Otto Puzzell on July 26, 2012, 10:28:59 AM
No
Title: Re: Engine Ennui #259
Post by: Allan L on July 27, 2012, 06:13:26 AM
French?
Title: Re: Engine Ennui #259
Post by: Otto Puzzell on July 27, 2012, 07:50:45 AM
Oui!
Title: Re: Engine Ennui #259
Post by: Craig Gillingham on July 28, 2012, 11:51:29 PM
Did the company build trucks? either at the time, or later on?
Title: Re: Engine Ennui #259
Post by: Otto Puzzell on July 29, 2012, 03:29:35 AM
Yes
Title: Re: Engine Ennui #259
Post by: Allan L on July 29, 2012, 03:50:08 AM
I think I know what it is, but I'll let Craig have another go first ;D
Title: Re: Engine Ennui #259
Post by: Craig Gillingham on July 29, 2012, 06:51:09 AM
QuoteI think I know what it is, but I'll let Craig have another go first

Allan L, please go for it. I really have no idea.
Title: Re: Engine Ennui #259
Post by: Allan L on July 29, 2012, 07:40:41 AM
Your last question seemed to show you had the same idea that I had which is that it could well be a 1906 40 h.p. Berliet engine. Here's a photo of an example:
Title: Re: Engine Ennui #259
Post by: Otto Puzzell on July 29, 2012, 08:38:46 AM
Not that one.
Title: Re: Engine Ennui #259
Post by: guido66 on July 29, 2012, 01:23:55 PM
Latil?
Title: Re: Engine Ennui #259
Post by: Otto Puzzell on July 29, 2012, 02:51:26 PM
No
Title: Re: Engine Ennui #259
Post by: Wendax on July 29, 2012, 03:21:19 PM
De Dietrich?
Title: Re: Engine Ennui #259
Post by: Otto Puzzell on July 29, 2012, 03:54:47 PM
Quote from: Wendax on July 29, 2012, 03:21:19 PM
De Dietrich?

No
Title: Re: Engine Ennui #259
Post by: Craig Gillingham on July 29, 2012, 06:02:48 PM
1909 for the year, Hotchkiss?
Title: Re: Engine Ennui #259
Post by: Otto Puzzell on July 30, 2012, 03:40:39 AM
Not a Hotchkiss; 1909 is correct
Title: Re: Engine Ennui #259
Post by: Craig Gillingham on July 30, 2012, 04:42:54 AM
I've found that Delahayes had T-head engines with cylinders cast in pairs, and they also made trucks. I just can't find an engine photo to compare with.
Title: Re: Engine Ennui #259
Post by: Otto Puzzell on July 30, 2012, 11:33:04 AM
Quote from: Craig Gillingham on July 30, 2012, 04:42:54 AM
I've found that Delahayes had T-head engines with cylinders cast in pairs, and they also made trucks. I just can't find an engine photo to compare with.

Not one of those
Title: Re: Engine Ennui #259
Post by: neilshouse on August 02, 2012, 12:30:05 PM
Brasier?
Title: Re: Engine Ennui #259
Post by: Otto Puzzell on August 02, 2012, 02:45:30 PM
No sir
Title: Re: Engine Ennui #259
Post by: Tom_I on August 02, 2012, 05:00:00 PM
Chenard et Walcker?
Title: Re: Engine Ennui #259
Post by: Otto Puzzell on August 02, 2012, 05:35:39 PM
Not that one
Title: Re: Engine Ennui #259
Post by: Craig Gillingham on August 02, 2012, 07:51:58 PM
Unic?
Title: Re: Engine Ennui #259
Post by: woodinsight on August 02, 2012, 10:09:51 PM
De Dion Bouton?
Title: Re: Engine Ennui #259
Post by: Otto Puzzell on August 03, 2012, 04:10:47 AM
Quote from: Craig Gillingham on August 02, 2012, 07:51:58 PM
Unic?

No
Title: Re: Engine Ennui #259
Post by: Otto Puzzell on August 03, 2012, 04:10:56 AM
Quote from: woodinsight on August 02, 2012, 10:09:51 PM
De Dion Bouton?

No
Title: Re: Engine Ennui #259
Post by: Craig Gillingham on August 03, 2012, 04:30:57 AM
Peugeot?
Title: Re: Engine Ennui #259
Post by: Otto Puzzell on August 03, 2012, 04:40:07 AM
Quote from: Craig Gillingham on August 03, 2012, 04:30:57 AM
Peugeot?

No sir
Title: Re: Engine Ennui #259
Post by: Craig Gillingham on August 03, 2012, 04:45:06 AM
Do you know how many hp it is?
Title: Re: Engine Ennui #259
Post by: Otto Puzzell on August 03, 2012, 05:05:12 AM
No, I don't. At he time this one was on offer, this maker was selling cars with engines of this general type in more than one displacement and output.
Title: Re: Engine Ennui #259
Post by: Craig Gillingham on August 03, 2012, 05:24:57 AM
QuoteNo, I don't. At he time this one was on offer, this maker was selling cars with engines of this general type in more than one displacement and output.

OK, to me that says that it was one of the more prominent manufacturers. How about TH Schneider?

I must say this puzzle is quite challenging, not a bad thing, just more obscure than I thought.
Title: Re: Engine Ennui #259
Post by: Otto Puzzell on August 03, 2012, 05:27:13 AM
Not a TH Schneider.

The puzzle engine is from a well-known make. 
Title: Re: Engine Ennui #259
Post by: Craig Gillingham on August 03, 2012, 05:33:29 AM
Most of the known makes have been covered, Lorraine Dietrich? Period L-D engines have a similar manifold, and the water pump is on the same side, as well as having separately cast blocks.
Title: Re: Engine Ennui #259
Post by: Otto Puzzell on August 03, 2012, 05:57:56 AM
Now we're getting somewhere!
Title: Re: Engine Ennui #259
Post by: Craig Gillingham on August 03, 2012, 06:01:31 AM
QuoteNow we're getting somewhere!

I'm out of ideas! Panhard et Levassor is another make that fits the profile, but I thought they were making single blocks during 1909?
Title: Re: Engine Ennui #259
Post by: Craig Gillingham on August 03, 2012, 06:28:01 AM
I must say, I've quite enjoyed this puzzle, so far -I'd look forward to other engine puzzles you may think of posting.
Title: Re: Engine Ennui #259
Post by: Otto Puzzell on August 03, 2012, 06:48:15 AM
Quote from: Craig Gillingham on August 03, 2012, 06:01:31 AM
QuoteNow we're getting somewhere!

I'm out of ideas! Panhard et Levassor is another make that fits the profile, but I thought they were making single blocks during 1909?

Sorry - I wasn't clear. Your previous guess was correct, but incomplete - just need the year.

Locked for you!
Title: Re: Engine Ennui #259
Post by: Craig Gillingham on August 03, 2012, 06:49:57 AM
Do you mean 1909 Lorraine Dietrich?
Title: Re: Engine Ennui #259
Post by: Otto Puzzell on August 03, 2012, 07:46:25 AM
That's it!

A well-earned point.