Topic: CG #49 - 1919-23 GUY 20hp V8 engine

[Craig Gillingham]

For 1 point, tell me the make, size and approximate year of this V8.

[motorcar1]

year 1921

american built

[Craig Gillingham]

year 1921

That's about right for the year, ±2 years. These V8's were made for 4 years.

american built

Not US built.

[motorcar1]

Taking a stab in the dark here;
De Dion built in europe?

The answer to this one will end up going into the speedster's story, for timelines of the V-8 engine, as I know that I have an error in the story herein autopuzzles.

[Craig Gillingham]

De Dion built in europe?

No, sorry, not a De Dion. But, it is from Europe.

There were a few interesting V8's made in Europe in the 1910's-20's, that there is little known about.

[D-type]

Hispano Suiza?

[Craig Gillingham]

Hispano Suiza?

No, -sorry.

[Craig Gillingham]

Up to Professional level.

[Wendax]

V8 engine by Guy Motors of Wolverhampton, built for their 20 hp model, 4 litres displacement, about 150 to 200 built from 1919 to 1925

[Craig Gillingham]

V8 engine by Guy Motors of Wolverhampton, built for their 20 hp model, 4 litres displacement, about 150 to 200 built

All correct, except from what I've read, only prototypes were built in 1919. I think these were the first British made V8. I don't know if any exist today. 1 point for you.

[Wendax]

The source is wrong about that being the first British V8 engine. Rolls-Royce built one in 1905.

[Craig Gillingham]

I wasn't aware of that. I'll go back and check my source. I did read it on the internet, so it's got to be correct.

[Wendax]

From December 1919:

[Craig Gillingham]

I stand corrected.

[motorcar1]

I see that it says 8 cyl?
Straight 8 or V-8?
Is there a picture of this engine?

R. Royce, is there a picture of this engine or any literature?

trying to get my facts straight fo the Speedster's story.

Remember>>> the speedster had a V-8 two cam, two ing, two carb engine, 160 lbs, turned 6k.
Believe that is a first, isn't it

Really want to get the timelines straight for the story and histories sake.

AS>>>> quotes and writters have flawed the internet with all kinds of misconceptions on this subject.

Where else but autopuzzles>>> to get it right for all !!!!!!!
John

[Wendax]

Here you are:

[Craig Gillingham]

I've also seen references to the Vulcan V8, from 1919-20. There was also a Talbot Darracq from the same period. The Lancia Trikappa came out in 1922, they had a single cast block V8, predating the side valve Fords by 10 years, which is supposed to be the first single cast block V8. These are all production cars, not prototypes or just the one offs.

[motorcar1]

Wendax,
Kind of a awkward design, but none the less, I can see the V configuration.
Did this engine go into real production>> in a car?

Craig Gillingham ;
The Vulcan engine, is there a picture?

The Lancia, a picture?

I am dead set to get the facts correct for many reasons>>

Though the Hemmings gods think they are a great gift, they also had it all wrong in an article they published>> along with literally hundreds of others.

We will get it straight.

[Craig Gillingham]

Here's a Trikappa engine. They used a single head, and were a narrow angle V8, but a V8 nonetheless. I'll look for a Vulcan picture. Another V8 from the early 20's I've found was the French Bellanger,

[Wendax]

Wendax,
Kind of a awkward design, but none the less, I can see the V configuration.
Did this engine go into real production>> in a car?

Three Rolls-Royce V8 Legalimits were built in 1905/1906. It's the only RR model of which no cars have survived.

[motorcar1]

Craig,
It is hard to distinguish the V configuration>> but none the less, I do not doubt your research and will figure it in to the V-8 timelines.

All manufactureres and designers coppied and re-designed the beginings of everything automobile related.

I truly desire to get it straight with timelines, as it is important for automobile history.
Other pics>> of the other early v-8's is truly appreciated.

Just like the engine in Bens Speedster, all regular V-8's predate to Swindlers V-8 with the two cams, twin dist and dual carbs.

Timelines are so important.
None of the auto scholars have disputed or argued over the fact that Bens body size, height, design, weight, width etc<<< is a first in an exotic built automobile, that part all came into play through actual books, pictures etc.

Just as seat belts and on and on.
This is a tough road road to travel, but, I am determined to find Bens deserved place in automobile history and racing history as  a legend, which is unknown to most at this time.

Only at autopuzzles guys !!!!!!!!!!

[Craig Gillingham]

Here's a photo of the Darracq V8.

Also found a photo on Wikipedia of the Vulcan V8, they were only made in 1919, but I think they were a prototype only.

The Trikappa has a Vee angle of 22°, you can see the 4 spark plug holes on the side of the block, as well as the 8 cylinder magneto. I can't find a photo of the Bellanger V8.

[Allan L]

I  was busy yesterday so missed this erudite discussion on V8 motors, not that I would have contributed anything different.
The R-R Legalimit was so called because it was designed to not exceed the universal 20 m.p.h. speed limit which obtained on the British roads of the time. Royce determined that it should be able to achieve that speed under all circumstances, so gave it adequate power (a phrase R-R was to use for many years!) hence the 3½ litre V-8. What makes the engine look strange to our eyes is the vertical arrangement of the valves juxtaposed with the 45 degree cylinder blocks.
If by Vulcan we are referring to the Vulcan company of Southport I have never heard that they designed their own engines between 1916, when Wardman took control, and the A.O.Lord-designed six-cylinders of 1927/8. They used bought-in engines from Dorman, Meadows and Anzani.

[Craig Gillingham]

They used bought-in engines from Dorman, Meadows and Anzani.

That's an interesting point, because looking at the V8 Vulcan engine, I can see it's got an 8 cylinder Dixie magneto, which may suggest an American engine, like a Herschell Spillman, Ferro or some other proprietary engine.

[motorcar1]

If this is OK with you guys, I am going to ask PJ to open the speedsters story and paste these engines in the V-8 history section>>> together with there text >>>for acknowledment of there engine design and there place in true historical fact.

Fasksta posted a Russian article from 1937 yesterday on the Speedster, thanks again for that>>asking PJ to cut and paste it at the bottom of the story also.

Going to, in the near future, start a second story on Ben and paste in new topics, this time for open posting and discussion.
PJ is the Key master for the story, he has been a real champ in helping out.

I will probably need to check in with Ultra before asking PJ to move things around a bit and open a second story base, before doing so

thank you guys !!!!!
John