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Title: Whuzzat #18 - Van Heflin, Charles Bovary and Charles Bovari
Post by: Ray B. on April 11, 2011, 10:05:12 AM
Who is he, and what is his connection with a particular automobile?

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Title: Re: Whuzzat #18
Post by: Ray B. on April 27, 2011, 05:18:44 PM
I think that this one deserves the pros...
Title: Re: Whuzzat #18
Post by: Ray B. on May 06, 2011, 01:07:55 PM
This guy he's quite easy to recognize. The car is another story...
Title: Re: Whuzzat #18
Post by: Aaron65 on May 06, 2011, 07:40:13 PM
Is it Jimmy Cagney?  If so, is the car the 1934 Auburn Salon Cabriolet he drove in The Mayor of Hell and was recently restored?
Title: Re: Whuzzat #18
Post by: Ray B. on May 07, 2011, 03:18:36 AM
An actor, but not Cagney. And the car is not a car that he drove.
Title: Re: Whuzzat #18
Post by: neilshouse on May 07, 2011, 07:03:17 AM
Van Heflin?

If that's correct then is the associated car the Mercury XM-800?
Title: Re: Whuzzat #18
Post by: Ray B. on May 07, 2011, 08:07:19 AM
Good eye! That is Van Heflin, although more well groomed that we're used to see him.
But that's not the car (and I'm interested to learn what was his connection with the XM-800).
Title: Re: Whuzzat #18
Post by: Otto Puzzell on May 07, 2011, 08:50:44 AM
Locked for neilshouse, I presume?
Title: Re: Whuzzat #18
Post by: Ray B. on May 07, 2011, 11:27:07 AM
Not locked, I didn't say so, because I warned that this guy would be easy to find.
Title: Re: Whuzzat #18
Post by: neilshouse on May 07, 2011, 11:42:29 AM
(and I'm interested to learn what was his connection with the XM-800).
He featured in the same film as the car, (Woman's World 1954), not sure if he drove it though.

I'm glad it's not locked for me as I have no other ideas yet.
Title: Re: Whuzzat #18
Post by: Ray B. on May 07, 2011, 11:51:33 AM
Not that kind of connection either.
Title: Re: Whuzzat #18
Post by: woodinsight on May 07, 2011, 12:08:10 PM
I believe that in the 1954 film "A Woman's World", Clifton Webb starred as the owner of the fictional Gifford Motors and Van Heflin was a candidate for the position of General Manager. Cars were provided by the Ford Motor Co. - Fords, Mercurys, Lincolns, several "dream cars" and styling models - for use in the film.
I haven't been able to associate Van Heflin with any particular car and I haven't watched the film.
Doubt if that's enough for you but perhaps someone can be more specific?
Title: Re: Whuzzat #18
Post by: Ray B. on May 07, 2011, 12:22:32 PM
You both mean this film? (see below).
That's not it, nor any of these cars)
Title: Re: Whuzzat #18
Post by: woodinsight on May 07, 2011, 12:49:37 PM
It was just a shot in the dark but worth a try nonetheless......
Title: Re: Whuzzat #18
Post by: Otto Puzzell on May 09, 2011, 04:21:40 AM
Perhaps you're looking for this Cadillac, or the Studebaker pickup, from 1951's The Prowler?

Title: Re: Whuzzat #18
Post by: Ray B. on May 09, 2011, 04:45:05 AM
Not a car he drove, nor a car in one of his films.
Title: Re: Whuzzat #18
Post by: Otto Puzzell on May 26, 2011, 05:35:28 AM
How about a 1947 Plymouth, deployed as an LAPD patrol car, like this one?

In 1947, the Adventures of Philip Marlowe, starring Van Heflin came to Radio in the Summer of 1947 as a Pepsodent Program replacement for their wildly popular show starring Bob Hope. Said Heflin of his immersion into the role:

We rode in the back seat of Radio Car 11-A, operated by two pleasant young policemen, John Breisingher, who drove, and Bill Lesner, who kept a log of our maneuvers.
"Car Eleven-A," the voice of a woman dispatcher droned over the dashboard radio.  That was us!--and sharp-chinned, curly-haired Van (and I) sat forward eagerly.  "In the 200 block on East Seventh Street--merchandise on sidewalk."  That seemed a curious complaint.

At the address, two men were pushing electric stoves and refrigerators into a store.  Officer Lesner verified that they were the owners, not burglars. We drove into the river bed to look for vagrants.  The officers arrested a drunk who turned out to be an ex-convict. We broke up a beer joint quarrel--one man claimed another had robbed him.  We went through a second-floor flophouse (beds, 25 cents) where the air reeked, a drunk lay on the corridor floor. The stooped and nearly toothless proprietor complained that a nearby rescue mission was keeping his 310 tenants awake with their hymns, piano, and drum.  Officer Bresingher exacted a promise form the revivalists to recess activities henceforth at 9 p.m.

Van's earnest comment was:  "I don't see how this could ever get monotonous!"  

Title: Re: Whuzzat #18
Post by: Ray B. on May 26, 2011, 06:11:18 AM
Nice story, Otto. I didn't know that he had done Marlowe in a radio show. But that's not it.
It's a rather tongue-in-cheek connnection, and not a car he ever sat his butt in.
But a car which can be found somewhere at Autopuzzles.
Title: Re: Whuzzat #18
Post by: Otto Puzzell on May 26, 2011, 09:42:00 AM
This one?

http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=5367.msg19490#msg19490

Title: Re: Whuzzat #18
Post by: Ray B. on May 26, 2011, 09:47:30 AM
Not this one, but you're on the right track.
Title: Re: Whuzzat #18
Post by: Otto Puzzell on May 26, 2011, 09:48:41 AM
Two hunches; two dead ends. Marlowe could appreciate this.
Title: Re: Whuzzat #18
Post by: Ray B. on May 26, 2011, 10:54:57 AM
But you're closer with that second one than with the police car.
Title: Re: Whuzzat #18
Post by: Wendax on May 26, 2011, 11:34:44 AM
Van Heflin played Athos in the movie "The three Musketeers" and
http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=2098.0
was converted for the "Three Musketeers' Team". Is that the sought after relation?
Title: Re: Whuzzat #18
Post by: Ray B. on May 26, 2011, 11:50:50 AM
Not that either.
(and no further comment because I usually am too generous with my clues).
Title: Re: Whuzzat #18
Post by: Tom_I on May 26, 2011, 12:36:41 PM
Was "Prowler" the right answer, but for the wrong reason?

The name is shared by the 1951 Heflin film and the 1997 Plymouth/Chrysler Prowler.
Title: Re: Whuzzat #18
Post by: Ray B. on May 26, 2011, 12:43:15 PM
No prowler here, officer.
Title: Re: Whuzzat #18
Post by: Wendax on May 26, 2011, 12:50:52 PM
How about the "Green Dolphin Street" and http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=10926.0 ?
Title: Re: Whuzzat #18
Post by: guido66 on May 26, 2011, 05:00:06 PM
Nash Airflyte Theatre?
Title: Re: Whuzzat #18
Post by: Ray B. on May 26, 2011, 05:12:54 PM
Well tried, lads, but none of these connections (and it's not the Hudson Theatre either, in case you'd think of this too).
Title: Re: Whuzzat #18
Post by: barrett on June 29, 2011, 08:33:01 AM
He was in a film called 'Back Door to Heaven'......  ;D
Title: Re: Whuzzat #18
Post by: Ray B. on June 29, 2011, 09:27:59 AM
Getting colder. What has been established is that:
- The relationship is between the title of one of Heflin's films and the name of a car, or carmaker, as rightfully (although unsuccessfully) tried by several puzzlers. Sure, I could have chosen another actor, or the director or anyone involved in this film, but I chose Heflin.
- This car is the subject of a former puzzle.

Title: Re: Whuzzat #18
Post by: Tom_I on June 30, 2011, 05:17:18 AM
How about the 1948 film Polly Fulton, and the Fulton Airphibian hybrid car/aeroplane?
Title: Re: Whuzzat #18
Post by: Ray B. on June 30, 2011, 10:39:01 AM
In that case, shouln't I have chosen Barbara Stanwyck or Charles Coburn instead of Heflin?
You're british, Tom. Polly Fulton was the title in the U.K. but the original american title was B.F.'s Daughter
Title: Re: Whuzzat #18
Post by: Otto Puzzell on June 30, 2011, 12:34:26 PM
I'm stumped.
Title: Re: Whuzzat #18
Post by: Ray B. on June 30, 2011, 05:23:11 PM
In that case, shouln't I have chosen Barbara Stanwyck or Charles Coburn instead of Heflin?


I must admit that the (solved) puzzle car is not well known at all, but this kind of reply should help you find which way to go.
Title: Re: Whuzzat #18
Post by: Ray B. on July 15, 2011, 06:34:15 AM

I must admit that the (solved) puzzle car is not well known at all...
... but the the name who links it to Heflin is very well-known.
Does it click or do I send this to le trou noir?
Title: Re: Whuzzat #18
Post by: Tom_I on July 19, 2011, 02:21:28 PM
I'll have one more go, then I give up.

If it's a name that links Heflin to a car then I can't find anything convincing in the titles of his films, so maybe it's the name of a character he played. Going through the films where he had top billing, nothing strikes me as a "very well known" name, apart from in Grand Central Murder (1942) where he plays a character called Rocky Custer (OK, I know General Custer wasn't called Rocky, but it's the surname I'm concentrating on).

And here's a Custer Park Car from 1924.

That's my best shot, I'm afraid..... :-\

Title: Re: Whuzzat #18
Post by: Ray B. on July 19, 2011, 02:41:52 PM
Sorry Tom, it's not Custer.
The name is very well-known, I wrote, well maybe not as much as Long Hair. It is indeed the name of a character he played, and you seem to have missed it. I could give two other clues based on your the wording in your post, but I'm afraid it would be a dead giveaway.
Title: Re: Whuzzat #18
Post by: Otto Puzzell on July 20, 2011, 03:47:07 AM
Let's try this one: In 1941's The Feminine Touch, Heflin played Elliott Morgan, Publisher.

In April of 2006, the first puzzle posted here was the Morgan SLR. Coincidentally, you posted this puzzle in April of 2011, just a little over 5 years after the Morgan puzzle was posted.

http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=28.0
Title: Re: Whuzzat #18
Post by: Ray B. on July 20, 2011, 04:04:41 AM
Not a Morgan, not a british car. The car isn't well-known at all (except by Auto puzzlers).
As I said, I don't see what clue I could give that wouldn't be a giveaway.
Title: Re: Whuzzat #18
Post by: Otto Puzzell on July 20, 2011, 04:22:11 AM
OK, common or well-know name. Obscure car; not from the UK...

Let's go with the Evans 486LM (as seen here): http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=10487.msg84261#msg84261

And 1957's 3:10 to Yuma , in which Heflin played 'Dan Evans'
Title: Re: Whuzzat #18
Post by: Tom_I on July 20, 2011, 06:09:46 AM
I said I was going to give up, but this is bringing on an OCD attack..... ;D

Another try. Film: Johnny Eager (1942).

Heflin won an Oscar for best supporting actor playing a character called Jeff Hartnett. These days Harnett is a fairly well-known name (actor/producer Josh Hartnett), and lurking in Solved Autopuzzles is a 1951 Hartnett Pacific Tourer from Australia.

Title: Re: Whuzzat #18
Post by: Ray B. on July 20, 2011, 06:29:35 AM
We all like it when it gets addictive. So, let's not discourage your efforts, both of you.
Not an Evans, not a Hartnett.
Not from any part of the Commonwealth, not from Georgia or any state of the U.S. of A.

That should narrow the circle.
Title: Re: Whuzzat #18
Post by: Tom_I on July 20, 2011, 08:53:06 AM
Looking back over what Ray has said during the course of this puzzle, first there's:
Quote
...The relationship is between the title of one of Heflin's films and the name of a car, or carmaker...
and
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Sure, I could have chosen another actor, or the director or anyone involved in this film, but I chose Heflin.

Then when I mentioned Polly Fulton:
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In that case, shouldn't I have chosen Barbara Stanwyck or Charles Coburn instead of Heflin?
- presumably because their characters were both called Fulton, and Heflin's wasn't.

Then later:
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It is indeed the name of a character he played...

It seems to me that the logical conclusion to draw from this is that the name of the character played by Heflin must also be in the title of the movie. And unless I'm missing something (and all evidence to date suggests that I probably am), the only one that fits the bill seems to be Tennessee Johnson (1942), where he played US President Andrew Johnson.

There is a car called the Johnson Controls ie:3 Electric Concept (http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=15203.0) in Solved Autopuzzles, but I offer this with no confidence at all... :-\
Title: Re: Whuzzat #18
Post by: Otto Puzzell on July 20, 2011, 09:14:53 AM
That was a heck of an effort!

I, for one, hope you are correct.  :)
Title: Re: Whuzzat #18
Post by: Ray B. on July 20, 2011, 10:08:47 AM
Sorry, Tom and Otto, but if Tom perfectly summed up the indications I gave...

He is right :
- in saying that the name we're after his the name of his character in the film, and is part of the film's title.
- in choosing a car neither from the Commonwealth nor the U.S.A.
But he still misses the right film, and name.
I must say that the names are the same, but rather phonetically. But here is a clue: Heflin's character shares first name and surname with the maker of the car (again, if you're not too peculiar about spelling).
Title: Re: Whuzzat #18
Post by: Otto Puzzell on July 20, 2011, 10:55:31 AM
 ???
Title: Re: Whuzzat #18
Post by: Tom_I on July 20, 2011, 11:02:06 AM
I think the penny has finally dropped!

The film is Madame Bovary (1949), in which Van Heflin plays Charles Bovary.

The car is the one-off Gordini-engined Bovari (http://www.autopuzzles.com/forum/index.php?topic=6630.0), based on a Renault Caravelle platform, designed and built by Charles Bovari.

And I shall spend the rest of the day lying down in a darkened room! ;D
Title: Re: Whuzzat #18
Post by: Otto Puzzell on July 20, 2011, 11:47:52 AM
 :hail:
Title: Re: Whuzzat #18
Post by: Ray B. on July 20, 2011, 01:49:10 PM
If anyone of you wants to make an extra point, here is your chance:
As you've noted the name of the character has a slightly different spelling. Except in one exception.
Find it (it's not easy), and get that point.
Locked 48 hours for these two brave puzzlers.

In the meantime two more pictures (which I'm sure you already found).
Title: Re: Whuzzat #18
Post by: Tom_I on July 26, 2011, 02:49:33 PM
I don't know about Otto, but I haven't got anywhere with this.

In fact, I'm not absolutely certain what the question is. Flaubert's Emma and Charles Bovary get mis-spelled all over the place, so I'm assuming it's M. Charles Bovari of Nice we are looking for.

But I'm afraid I haven't been able to find anything. Maybe throw it open, Ray? Or put us out of our misery?
Title: Re: Whuzzat #18
Post by: Wendax on July 26, 2011, 02:55:45 PM
In Serbian "Madame Bovary" is called "Gospođa Bovari" and in Latvian it is called "Bovarī kundze". Is that what you are up to?
Title: Re: Whuzzat #18
Post by: Ray B. on July 27, 2011, 03:43:22 AM
Sorry guys. I was in slow motion mode for almost a week.
To sum up this secondary quizz:
Charles Bovari of Nice is corerectly written with a "i" on every source I find.
Charles Bovary, the character played by Van Heflin, is correctly spelled with a "y", in the 1949 film and the original book it was adapted from (I didn't refer to any serbian, latvian or whatever adaptation or accidental misspelling).
Except in one occasion. Which one? The answer can be found ont the internet, but not only.

Open to all PAFW.
 
Title: Re: Whuzzat #18
Post by: Wendax on July 27, 2011, 03:53:26 AM
Charles Bovary gets called Charbovari in school.
Title: Re: Whuzzat #18
Post by: Ray B. on July 27, 2011, 07:49:09 AM
Bingo! It's not quite like you put it, but that's what I meant.
Title: Re: Whuzzat #18
Post by: Wendax on July 27, 2011, 08:00:43 AM
Quote
"Rise," said the master.

He stood up; his cap fell. The whole class began to laugh. He stooped to pick it up. A neighbor knocked it down again with his elbow; he picked it up once more.

"Get rid of your helmet," said the master, who was a bit of a wag.

There was a burst of laughter from the boys, which so thoroughly put the poor lad out of countenance that he did not know whether to keep his cap in his hand, leave it on the ground, or put it on his head. He sat down again and placed it on his knee.

"Rise," repeated the master, "and tell me your name."

The new boy articulated in a stammering voice an unintelligible name.

"Again!"

The same sputtering of syllables was heard, drowned by the tittering of the class.

"Louder!" cried the master; "louder!"

The "new fellow" then took a supreme resolution, opened an inordinately large mouth, and shouted at the top of his voice as if calling someone in the word "Charbovari."

A hubbub broke out, rose in crescendo with bursts of shrill voices (they yelled, barked, stamped, repeated "Charbovari! Charbovari"), then died away into single notes, growing quieter only with great difficulty, and now and again suddenly recommencing along the line of a form whence rose here and there, like a damp cracker going off, a stifled laugh.

However, amid a rain of impositions, order was gradually re-established in the class; and the master having succeeded in catching the name of "Charles Bovary," having had it dictated to him, spelt out, and re-read, at once ordered the poor devil to go and sit down on the punishment form at the foot of the master's desk. He got up, but before going hesitated.

Title: Re: Whuzzat #18
Post by: Ray B. on July 27, 2011, 09:18:40 AM
Perfect, Wendax. With the correct extract of the book, translated in english for all to understand.

My "not quite" meant that it was he himself who uttered this "Charbovari".

The two points are yours.
Title: Re: Whuzzat #18
Post by: Wendax on July 27, 2011, 09:27:28 AM
The two points are yours.

Just the second point, please. The first one belongs to Tom_I.
Title: Re: Whuzzat #18
Post by: Ray B. on July 28, 2011, 04:01:01 PM
Correct. Points added.

Maybe Wendax cunningly googled the second part of the answer. If not, he proved us that Flaubert is as thoroughly studied in German universities that in  their US counterparts (at least as I remember).
Title: Re: Whuzzat #18 - Van Helin, Charles Bovary and Charles Bovari
Post by: Wendax on July 28, 2011, 04:04:41 PM
As I remember, Flaubert was not part of my mathematics studies at university.  :D
But I've got Madame Bovary in my private library.
Title: Re: Whuzzat #18 - Van Helin, Charles Bovary and Charles Bovari
Post by: Carnut on July 28, 2011, 07:30:20 PM
But I've got Madame Bovary in my private library.

Crikey.   Does your wife know?  Or is she not the jealous sort?!
Title: Re: Whuzzat #18 - Van Helin, Charles Bovary and Charles Bovari
Post by: Wendax on July 29, 2011, 02:11:06 AM
But I've got Madame Bovary in my private library.

Crikey.   Does your wife know?  Or is she not the jealous sort?!
;D ;D ;D