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Whose car is this?#44 - Dean Jeffries and his Horch 830 BL Pullman
« on: July 18, 2011, 10:42:31 AM »
Well, not this particular car, but another just like it. It is connected to an important figure in the automotive word.
Of course none of those you may think. Who?

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Re: Whose car is this?#44
« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2011, 04:09:39 PM »
Is this the Duke of Windsor's Humber Pullman Limousine?
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Re: Whose car is this?#44
« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2011, 04:56:46 PM »
Not a Humber (I hid the brand logo, as usually done around here, by the way).
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Re: Whose car is this?#44
« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2011, 02:37:56 AM »
Right off the cuff - the number plate is German, the car, I think, a Horch or an Audi. My guess, a certain Herr Hitler?
A 1938 Horch 850 Limousine?
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Re: Whose car is this?#44
« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2011, 05:52:28 AM »
You would be in the right direction, if you explained to me how Adolf was "an important figure in the automotive word". Please re-read the question.
Also, remember that I wrote "... not this particular car, but another just like it..."
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Re: Whose car is this?#44
« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2011, 11:21:05 PM »
Is this similar to Ferdinand Porsche's Horch Limousine powered by a 6 cylinder engine of his design?
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Re: Whose car is this?#44
« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2011, 06:41:26 AM »
I can't say (I'd have to do some research) but it's not Ferdinand Porsche anyway.
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Re: Whose car is this?#44
« Reply #7 on: July 20, 2011, 07:32:32 AM »
Hitler was very important in the automotive world, the KdF-wagen was his vision. Just my 2 cents
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Re: Whose car is this?#44
« Reply #8 on: July 20, 2011, 10:12:48 AM »
I knew that, and almost added it myself, but I didn't want to give that wanker too much credit  ::)
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Re: Whose car is this?#44
« Reply #9 on: July 28, 2011, 04:47:20 PM »
Free for all!
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Re: Whose car is this?#44
« Reply #10 on: July 28, 2011, 07:05:43 PM »
Here's a long shot!
Konrad Adenauer was Oberburgermeister of Cologne in 1924 when he supported the proposal of Dr.  Creutz (Landrat at Adenau) that the government should build a motor racing track in the Eifel. That became the Nürburgring and when Dr. Adenauer became the first Chancellor of the Federal Republic of Germany in 1949 he used a pre-war Horch (but not with a pre-war Hamburg registration) as no suitable state limousines were made in Germany at the time.
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Re: Whose car is this?#44
« Reply #11 on: July 29, 2011, 02:00:08 AM »
BTW, it is a Horch 830 BL Pullman-Limousine from 1939.
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Re: Whose car is this?#44
« Reply #12 on: July 29, 2011, 05:46:50 AM »
Is that really a pre-war Hamburg registration?
Although under the current system 'HH' stands for Hansestadt Hamburg I thought pre-war the German numbers didn't refer to any particular city or state, but all started with 'IA', IIA', or 'IIIA'?
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Re: Whose car is this?#44
« Reply #13 on: July 29, 2011, 06:30:09 AM »
It really is Hamburg. There were a lot of registration number prefixes that didn't start with a Roman numeral. You can see them listed for example in the German Wikipedia under "Liste der deutschen Kfz-Kennzeichen (historisch)".
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Re: Whose car is this?#44
« Reply #14 on: July 29, 2011, 09:14:13 AM »
Please, guys, remember the question...

Quote from: Ray B. on July 18, 2011, 10:42:31 AM
Well, not this particular car, but another just like it.
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Re: Whose car is this?#44
« Reply #15 on: July 29, 2011, 09:17:44 AM »
Does "just like it" include the same body style or just the same chassis?
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Re: Whose car is this?#44
« Reply #16 on: July 29, 2011, 10:10:49 AM »
Same body style.
And quite like it in every aspect I could see. But I am not 100% sure that it's the same model designation, being not a specialist of this brand.
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Re: Whose car is this?#44
« Reply #17 on: July 29, 2011, 02:31:48 PM »
Dean Jeffries bought a Horch as his first car while he was stationed as a map maker in the army. Dean was stationed in Sanhoffen, Germany. He bought the car for 25 USD. He didn't want any hot rod or custom car, just a car that he could go cruising in. After he got the car Dean welded artillery shells together, and made a tube for the car that became the car's straight pipe exhaust. Dean also covered the car with pinstripes. Dean used the old Horch to travel all over Europe in the weekends.
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Re: Whose car is this?#44
« Reply #18 on: July 29, 2011, 04:33:49 PM »
Quote from: Allan L on July 28, 2011, 07:05:43 PM
Here's a long shot!
Konrad Adenauer was Oberburgermeister of Cologne in 1924 when he supported the proposal of Dr.  Creutz (Landrat at Adenau) that the government should build a motor racing track in the Eifel. That became the Nürburgring and when Dr. Adenauer became the first Chancellor of the Federal Republic of Germany in 1949 he used a pre-war Horch (but not with a pre-war Hamburg registration) as no suitable state limousines were made in Germany at the time.
This still seems to fit the question, even it it's not what you had in mind.
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Re: Whose car is this?#44
« Reply #19 on: July 29, 2011, 04:55:35 PM »
Wendax did it again. Dean Jeffries is the answer (I had the same photo). I knew that the pictured car was a 830 BL. I just wasn't sure if Jeffries' car was that too.

@ Alan: sorry that I didn't see your reply. But you were a long way off, unless one assumes that every german kanzler is automatically "an important figure in the automotive world".
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Re: Whose car is this?#44
« Reply #20 on: July 29, 2011, 05:00:24 PM »
I'm rather sure the Jeffries Horch is a 830 BL Pullman too, as it isn't large enough for a 850 and not sleek enough for a 930.
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Re: Whose car is this?#44
« Reply #21 on: July 29, 2011, 05:06:13 PM »
Quote from: Ray B. on July 29, 2011, 04:55:35 PM
Wendax did it again. Dean Jeffries is the answer (I had the same photo). I knew that the pictured car was a 830 BL. I just wasn't sure if Jeffries' car was that too.

@ Alan: sorry that I didn't see your reply. But you were a long way off, unless one assumes that every german kanzler is automatically "an important figure in the automotive world".

I'm baffled. I explained why Adenauer has his place in motoring history (without his backing we would never have had the Nürburgring), but nobody has explained how an army mapmaker called Dean Jeffries has.
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Re: Whose car is this?#44
« Reply #22 on: July 29, 2011, 05:07:34 PM »
 :lmao:
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Re: Whose car is this?#44
« Reply #23 on: July 30, 2011, 04:15:17 AM »
That usually unreliable source of all ignorance, Wikipedia, offers this
"Dean Jeffries is an American custom vehicle designer, fabricator, stuntman and stunt coordinator for motion pictures and television programs based in Los Angeles, California."
If that is the one you are referring to, that's a pretty obscure connection with motoring history as we know it and hardly "an important figure in the automotive world"
I know you are a film fan, Ray, but many of us are not. Sorry but there it is.
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Re: Whose car is this?#44
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